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Re: Regularized Inglish

From:Carlos Thompson <carlos_thompson@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 5, 1999, 14:32
Christophe Grandsire wrote:

> John Cowan wrote: > > > > Christophe Grandsire scripsit: > > > > > Strange... How did they make their ordinal numbers before t=
> > > "borrowing", does anyone know? > > > > They might not have needed it. From what I understand, large ordinal=
> > are a feature of high civilizations. (Cardinals are needed pretty > > quickly.) > > Now that I think of it, isn't that Spanish that uses ordinals o=
nly from
> 1 to 10, and doesn't use the other ordinals whereas it possesses them?
In normal real life situation: yes. Even more, many people get confuse between ordinal words and words defini= ng parts of units, then is common to say "el quinceavo" instead of the corre= ct "el d=E9cimo quinto" (from 4 to 10 they are the same). Some of the correct ordinals in Spanish are: 11=BA und=E9cimo (alt: d=E9cimo primero) 12=BA duod=E9cimo (alt. d=E9cimo segundo) 13=BA d=E9cimo tercero 14=BA d=E9cimo cuarto 15=BA d=E9cimo quinto 16=BA d=E9cimo sexto 17=BA d=E9cimo s=E9ptimo 18=BA d=E9cimo octavo 19=BA d=E9cimo noveno 20=BA vig=E9simo (card: veinte) 21=BA vig=E9simo primero &c. 30=BA trig=E9simo (card: treinta) 40=BA cuadrag=E9simo (card: cuarenta) 50=BA quincuag=E9simo (card: cincuenta) 60=BA sexag=E9simo (card: sesenta) 70=BA septuag=E9simo (card: setenta) 80=BA octuag=E9simo (card: ochenta) 90=BA nonag=E9simo (card: noventa) 100=BA cent=E9simo (card: cien(to)) 1000=BA mil=E9simo (card: mil) and don't ask me how you say 110th but "cent=E9simo d=E9cimo" is not. No= t surprising the more regular fractional ending -avo is taking over. But when are these ordinals used: Date of the month: use "primero" (1st) and then the cardinals. Number of streets: use from "primera" to "d=E9cima" (10th) and then the cardinals. Names of monarchs: use from "primero" to "d=E9cimo" and then the cardinal= s. School years: from "primero" to "und=E9cimo" (11 years in Colombia), but = 11=BA is usually called "once" (cardinal). Event version: use from "primero" to "d=E9cimo" and then do as you please= (if you are a news reader in TV chose the worse alternative: use the cardinal= as ordinal). An old popular song from Colombia is called "Festival de Guarar=E9" and t= he chorus say "d=E9cimo quinto festival en Guarar=E9". -- Carlos Th