From Http://Members.Aol.Com/Lassailly/Tunuframe.Html wrote:
> i did not read his lingobooks but i know that's basically what i wrote =
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> this thread. i re-read my books this week-end and yes, i found out i ju=
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> re-wrote their theory in this thread. i find it very exciting that some=
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> find them "foreign". maybe basic linguistics are different from one cou=
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> to another as close as france and norway ! as for UE, this guy knows mo=
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> now an esperantist convert... ;-)
Really! I hadn't read his "search for the perfect language" book yet.
Is that where it all ends? Esperanto?
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> as for the actance roles, you can find your own ones yourself. they do
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> in a limited number, provided you un-aspectivize them (when you don't, =
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> grow hundreds). the problem is that they are very "down-to-earth" and e=
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> "nitty-gritty" and all have an inverse form. for the first and last tim=
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> (because that's the kind of theory that makes you a geek in the eyes of=
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> everyone ;-) i'll tell you some i've found :
> (12) to wend
To WEND?
> (13) to wend according to the pattern of
> but forget about them and pretend i did not write anything stupid like =
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> ;-).
Not at all! You've obviously spent a lot of time on this problem.
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> > Ever hear of the "Semiotic Square"?
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> never.
Ah, it's something in Gremias. Not precisely linguistic, but
semiotic, and kind of dependent on Gremias' structuralism... Perhaps
not worth going into here. It was just something that Eco talked
about and got from Gremias along with "actantial roles."
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> i quote bernard pottier in "linguistique g=E9n=E9rale - th=E9orie et de=
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> (1985) :
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> "that certain "schools" may have considered syntax as their essential
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> is something incredible. common sense has eventually triumphed. europea=
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> continuance thereof."
> (my free translation)
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> mathias
Ooh, they don't like Chomsky at all in France, then, do they?
I think the theorists I like are sort of post-Chomskian, trying to
scrap that whole Generative Grammar project and start over, as opposed
to the French who never took it up to begin with.
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