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Re: Hi, I'm a new guy... not in the face!

From:Clint Jackson Baker <litrex1@...>
Date:Friday, December 28, 2001, 17:46
Siyo!
I respond to this only as I think of stress in my own
conlang.  I'm discovering that my oversimplified
stress system has a problem, so I think I have my
first irregularity rule!  I found that I couldn't
pronounce "Yawehi" ("with God") correctly.  My current
rules are that the root--Yawe--must have the stress on
the first syllable.  But I found it very difficult to
say YA-we-hi because so much stress seems to be
required to pronounce an intervocalic /h/ and have it
understood.  So I think that my rule should be that
any syllable followed by a syllable starting with "h"
is stressed also, so the pronunciation become
YA-WE-hi.

Also, I'm hoping to hear back on some help to explain
my sounds properly.  Maybe someone could help me
describe a sound properly.  I have /dl/ as a single
phoneme in my language.  The way I describe it is that
the edge of the entire tongue touches all the upper
teeth, and is then pulled away.  (The sound comes from
Cherokee, where it is pronounced much differently--the
tip of the tongue touches the bottom teeth, the middle
touches the roof of the mouth, and then the lower jaw
is pulled down.)  So on one of the little charts of
sounds, where would my /dl/ be put?

Thanks.
Emesohaleka Yawehi
Kalinida

--- Vasiliy Chernov <bc_@...> wrote:
> In addition to what Christophe and Kou said: > > > I think there's one more option for limiting the > number of syllables per > block. > > Languages with dynamic accent often don't permit > long sequences of > unaccented syllables; to avoid them, they put > secondary stresses on > certain syllables. > > If you formulate explicit rules for secondary stress > position, you can > unite in one block either (1) a syllable with > (secondary) stress plus > all unaccented syllables that precede it, or (2) a > syllable with > (secondary) stress plus all unaccented syllables > that follow it (these > two options seem simplest; you can prefer something > more sophisticated > and/or matching your phonetics better). > > I guess the words having high textual frequencies > will mostly be > relatively short, thus fitting in one block, while > relatively rare > longer words could be written with two or more > blocks. > > But with accent types other than dynamic this won't > look natural (IMO). > > > Basilius
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