Re: representing back unrounded vowels in X-Sampa

Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:

> At 20:18 17.1.2004, Joe wrote:
>
>> But you can't say with any confidence 'it used to be'.  Nothing ever
>> changes universally, to the same sound.
>
>
> It has nothing to do with universal tendencies
> of language change, but with the way Sweet described
> the sound in these English words a hundred years ago
> versus what phoneticians observe in the same words
> today.
>
>>  In my ideolect, it's definitely
>> not [6], which sounds far too [a]-ish.  I think it's definitely either
>> [3] or [V], probably the latter.
>
>
> Most RP speakers' /V/ sounds very [a]-ish
> to me.  Much more so than Americans'/V/s,
> or Korean /V/, which latter definitely is
> different from both the RP and the US sounds.
>
But it's not [6].  I say this after years of experience living around
RP-speakers.  It's more closed than that.  However, when I round it, I
don't get [o], so I'm thinking it's probably [3].

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