Re: representing back unrounded vowels in X-Sampa

Tristan McLeay wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Joe wrote:
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>>David Peterson wrote:
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>>>Joe wrote:
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>>><<[M] and [V], IIRC.  The latter is the sound in RP 'put'[pVt].>>
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>>>No...  The [M] is right for a high, back, unrounded vowel, but [V] is
>>>the symbol for an open-mid back unrounded vowel, which is the "u" in
>>>"putt", not "put"--that vowel is [U] (unrounded, for me, for which
>>>there is no single IPA or X-SAMPA symbol).  For a close-mid, back
>>>unrounded vowel, the symbol is [7] (which is close to V, so I guess it
>>>makes sense.  Consider the movie with Brad Pitt and Kevin Spacey,
>>>which was popularly spelled Se7en).
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>>Sorry, I wrote the example without thinking.  But surely, a  close-mid
>>unrounded back vowel would be an unrounded [O].
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>No, close=high, so it'd be an unrounded [o]. (The way to remember the
>close/open opposition is the tongue is *close* to the top of the mouth, or
>the mouth is relatively *open*. I'm almost certain this is their
>derivation, too.)
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I know.  I just realised this the moment I sent it.  Sorry 'bout that.

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>Tristan
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