Re: representing back unrounded vowels in X-Sampa

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Joe wrote:

> David Peterson wrote:
>
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > <<[M] and [V], IIRC.  The latter is the sound in RP 'put'[pVt].>>
> >
> > No...  The [M] is right for a high, back, unrounded vowel, but [V] is
> > the symbol for an open-mid back unrounded vowel, which is the "u" in
> > "putt", not "put"--that vowel is [U] (unrounded, for me, for which
> > there is no single IPA or X-SAMPA symbol).  For a close-mid, back
> > unrounded vowel, the symbol is [7] (which is close to V, so I guess it
> > makes sense.  Consider the movie with Brad Pitt and Kevin Spacey,
> > which was popularly spelled Se7en).
> >
> Sorry, I wrote the example without thinking.  But surely, a  close-mid
> unrounded back vowel would be an unrounded [O].
No, close=high, so it'd be an unrounded [o]. (The way to remember the
close/open opposition is the tongue is *close* to the top of the mouth, or
the mouth is relatively *open*. I'm almost certain this is their
derivation, too.)

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Tristan

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