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Re: Senjecas on Wikifrath

From:caeruleancentaur <caeruleancentaur@...>
Date:Friday, August 11, 2006, 16:56
>Herman Miller <hmiller@...> wrote:
>Interesting stuff. There's too much to comment on in one post, but >I did notice the resemblance to Indo-European, with words >like "rűűð>is" for "red", and "ɱirũesc̆e ğenűesc̆e" >meaning "men and women".
I used Pokorny's "Indogermanishes Wörterbuch" as the source of the Senjecas vocabulary. The book was published before the laryngeals were accepted theory, and I am grateful. I did this research before PC's were the norm. I went to the library & copied by hand from the tome what I needed!
>Is there a regular correspondence between Senyecan and PIE sounds, >or is the situation more complicated?
The mythos of the conculture requires a strict & uniform system of sounds. So I scrunched the Pokorny consonants into a grid with the following results, Senjecas /X-sampa/ < Pokorny: Labials: p /p/ < p b /b/ < b f /p\/ < ph v /B/ < bh µ /m_0/ < w m /m/ < m Dentals: t /t/ < t d /d/ < d þ /T/ < th ð /D/ < dh £ /l_0/ < gwh l /l/ < l Alveolars: ç /ts)/ < k^ (Pokorny puts a circumflex over the letter to indicate velar. ß /dz)/ < g^ s /s/ < s z /z/ < z r /4_0/ < r n /n/ < n Palatals: c /c/ < k g /J\/ < g x /C/ < kh q /j\/ < gh ÿ /j_0/ < g^h j /j/ < i (consonant) The vowels are the "standard" five plus /O/. I took /O/ from syllabic /r\/. At first I was using /2/ or /3/, but they didn't fit so neatly in my grid. Thus Pokorny's "wir-", man, becomes in Senjecas _µîrus_, as you noticed. Pokorny differntiates between long & short vowels & I have kept that. In the standard orthography the long vowels are represented by a double grapheme.
>I happened to run across "ɱiɱe̋res" and thought it looked >somehow familar -- then I remembered a recent Google search and ran >across this:
Pokorny gives "wiwer-" as a root meaning "squirrel." It is actually a root meaning "brown" with a reduplicated initial consonant. English has the word "viverrine" meaning belonging to the Viverridae, i.e., the civets & mongooses.
This is an interesting site. I assume it's in Czech, but I'm no expert. Familiar to me also is the word "jelen" for some kind of deer. There is a PIE root "elen-" which means a deer. And "volk," wolf, is from the PIE root "wlkwo-." And the bear is "medbar," which has to do with honey-eating. The PIE root "medhu-" is given as meaning honey or mead. Charlie


Herman Miller <hmiller@...>