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Re: What _is_ rhoticity? (wa laterals (was: Pharingials etc))

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Friday, February 13, 2004, 19:49
On Thursday, February 12, 2004, at 07:21 PM, Dirk Elzinga wrote:

> Hey. > > The definition I gave earlier for rhotics (lowered third formant) is > the one favored by Ladefoged. However, another study (Lindau 1985) > muddies the waters considerably. She lists the following sounds as > rhotics (not an exhaustive list):
Indeed not. Those north Walians that use a uvular trill instead of the 'standard' apical trill have [R_0] for |rh| instead of [r_h] :)
> > [4] tap/flap > [r] apical trill > [r_0] voiceless apical trill > [r\] approximant > [R\] uvular trill (IPA small cap "R") > [R] voiced uvular fricative (IPA inverted small cap "R") > [X] voiceless uvular fricative
This is more or less the list I would've given for 'rhotic consonants'.
> There are five properties which some of these sounds share: > > 1 pulse pattern (trill) > 2 closure duration > 3 presence of formants (sonorant) > 4 presence of noise > 5 distribution of spectral energy (place of articulation) > > Not all rhotics have all five properties, and there is no property > which characterizes all rhotics.
Ah! What I sort of expected :)
> Rather, the relation is one of "family > resemblance": > > [4], [r], and [r\] are all apical/alveolar (5) > [r], [r\], [R\], and [R] have formants present (3) > [R\], [R], and [X] are all uvular (5) > [R\], [r], and [r_0] are all trilled (1) > > etc.
Interesting analysis.
> So it seems that there is no concensus on what constitutes a rhotic.
That's become obvious, I think. Thanks for the added info. Maybe it's time to let the matter rest now. Ray =============================================== http://home.freeuk.com/ray.brown ray.brown@freeuk.com (home) raymond.brown@kingston-college.ac.uk (work) =============================================== "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760