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Re: Case names in Thagojian

From:Raik Lorenz <raik.lorenz@...>
Date:Wednesday, June 7, 2006, 14:30
> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:43:38 -0400 > Von: Paul Bennett <paul-bennett@...> > An: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU > Betreff: Case names in Thagojian > WARNING: PLEASE OVERRIDE THE REPLY-TO SETTING AND REPLY TO THE LIST, NOT > TO > ME! > > Thagojian is Split-S -- that is, it has a split between Ergative and > Accusative verbs based on the lexical meaning of the verb (rather than the > semantics of the situation). For instance "hunt" is always Nominative, and > "be/make red" is always Ergative. > > There are three cases, one used for Sa and A, one used for Sp and P, and > one used for all O roles (and possession), which are differentiated by > adpositions. Actually, the situation with adpositions is a tiny bit more > complicated than that, since verbs of motion may take either a location or > a target, and (inspired by German) adpos+P marks locations, and adpos+O > marks targets. That's irrelevant to the main point of the question, but > possibly worth knowing. > > The name for the O case was obvious: Oblique. However, I have been > struggling for some time to come up with names for the two S cases. > Nominative and Accusative seemed just as wrong as Ergative and Absolutive. > I tried mixing names from each pair, to no avail. > > I spend some time rolling the meaning of the Erg/Nom split around in my > brain, and I have come up with Initiator and Undergoer, though I'd prefer > to find some more "scholarly" names for them. "Ergative" seems like a good > candidate, etymologically, for the Initiator case, which is sort of a > shame, but I can accept it. I'm completely lost for names of the Undergoer > case. Suggestions, please? (Anyone saying "Accusative" will be taken > outside and shot). > > Thanks, > > Paul
Hello, not knowing wether you got the answer already, I would suggest grabbing what you call Initiator and Undergoer by their semantic roles: Initiator = Agent Undergoer = Patient This also works fine with Wari' BTW, which is the only language I know of that has non-endocentric phrase structure. (AFAIK after attending Leipzig Spring School on Linguistic Diversity two months ago) Though, only on basis of "sheer" syntax, I would be at a loss as well. Hope I could contribute to the solution, regards, Raik -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL!