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Re: another newbie

From:Jeff Jones <jeffsjones@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 27, 2002, 3:52
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:14:32 -0500, David Barrow <davidab@...>

>Jeff Jones wrote:
First of all, sorry for the delay, if it matters.
>> On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:47:40 -0500, David Barrow <davidab@...> >> wrote:
>> >Anyone else interested in modified languages? I speak English and >> >Spanish so my interest centres mainly around these two >> >> There are quite a few! You'll probably be hearing from some others very >> shortly. I mostly do languages from scratch, but have a Latin-derived >> conlang (Rubaga) that I work on on occasion, and also speak English and >> Spanish less badly than other natlangs, so feel free to show us. > >Is it on a website?
Not yet. I started doing some HTML pages some time ago but haven't gotten very far. The language itself isn't well-developed yet; mainly phonology and orthography with only a small amount of tentative morphosyntax. If I uploaded what I have it'd be a mess, too. The main feature so far are some phonological processes. I posted a little bit here a few months ago. Maybe I'll dig up some more if you're interested.
>snip > >> >Looking at the SAMPA page: >> > >> >BrE has /e/ in pet AmE has /E/, but then the American page uses the same >> >/e/ for raise does that mean Americans pronounce raid the same way I >> >pronounce red? Or has someone made a mistake? >> >> I'm afraid someone has made a *mess*. The presentation there mostly omits >> the []'s and //'s, so that they have to be determined from context. The >> []'s enclose _phonetic_ notations, giving a fairly exact pronunciation, >> while //'s enclose _phonemic_ notations, the distinctions for a given >> language or dialect. Phonemic symbols can be pretty arbitrary, but >> generally, the simplest symbol that *suggests* the pronunciation is used. >> This means that phonemic symbols can't be compared across dialects. > > would it be best to represent e in words like pet with /E/ for both > standard English and American and words like raise would have /eI/ > (English) and /e/ American > >another snip > >David Barrow
I'd say use /E/ for "pet" and /e/ for "raise" in both cases, as long as we're strictly talking phonemes (and are limited to the more familiar accents, otherwise all bets are off). I hope this response isn't too terse! Jeff


David Barrow <davidab@...>