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Re: ANNOUNCE: My new conlang S11

From:Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
Date:Thursday, March 3, 2005, 23:33

Christian Thalmann <cinga@...> writes:
> --- In, Henrik Theiling <theiling@A...> wrote: > > > The word order is > > > > noun verb noun verb ... noun verb. > > Ah, just like Oro Mpaa. I'm afraid I can't take the credit for > that idea, though, since I stole it from yet another conlang...
Seems like *the* solution then! :-))
> was it bac? I don't remember. Anyway, check out the grammar > section of Oro Mpaa someday: > >
Hmm? But you state in 5.2: * SVO: Transitive clause. The first noun phrase acts as the subject, the second one as the object. ... * Ttou cel heite. {man see tree} "The man sees the tree." But S11 will not have transitive clauses. As for the SVC constructions -- they are borrowed from natlangs. I myself encountered them first in Mandarin Chinese.
> As for your idea to have three separate verbs for "to ask", "to > be asked (a question)" and "to be asked (from someone)", that > seems a bit like semantic overkill. I suspect your speakers > would very quickly end up generalizing one verb (e.g. "to be > asked (a question)") for generic dative use, and you'd get a > dative case or preposition instead of the auxiliary verb.
Something like that, yes. I'll construct it to be more specific than 'dative', though, so that I'd get 'addressed' as a verb or something.
> On the other hand, if "lu 1 ni 2 pa 3" or whatever mean > "1 asks 2 of 3" and "lu 1 go 2 se 3" are "1 gives birth to > 2 seeded by 3", you can distribute the morphological > distinctness needed for lexical diversity onto all three > components, allowing the single components to be short and > (by themselves) ambiguous. One could re-analyze this > structure as a verb INTO which the arguments are infixed.
Hehe. :-))) But I want unary verbs! :-) The precise way of planning what the verbs mean are indeed not fixed yet, and I expect to make a lot of investigation in natlangs, so this is all very interesting input for me! :-) **Henrik