Re: CHAT: Telek nominalization

Apologize for all the "as for my conlang" but you might get ideas
and I need to warm up.

* Marcus Smith said on 2001-03-30 04:57:17 +0200
> I've been inspired by some very interesting work I've been doing on
> nominalization in Pima. [..] The result is that Telek has gained a
> more complex nominalization system, and I present it here.
Do you put the nominalized forms in the official vocab or are you
supposed to nominalize everything on the fly? The reason I ask is that
my lang has quite a few nominalizers as well and so far some nominalized
forms have been put in the vocab (nice way to boost total number of
words :) ) and some haven't...

> There are three main nominalizers in Telek now: subject-oriented,
> object-oriented, and oblique-oriented. A fourth nominalizer
> occassionally occurs, but it has a very specialized usage and is not
> productive (except perhaps through analogy).
>
> Subject-Oriented: -Vn
In târuven, this is {=enn}, but is for animate doers only.
(the '=' means it is considered a derivation, not an inflection)

> This suffix is used when the entity refered to by the nominalized word
> would be the subject of the base verb, e.g., a dancer is someone who
> dances, a singer is someone who sings, etc.
Does these nouns-from-verbs cover both animate (persons) and inanimate
(machines, tools, etc.) doers?

> hosy 'whisper' -> hosy-n 'whisperer'
> wifaana 'run' -> wifaana-n 'runner'
> na'ni 'cook' -> na'ni-n 'cook'
> axin 'be red' -> axin-in 'one that is red'
> igassi 'be short' -> igassi-n 'dwarf'
V -> Vn
in -> inin

Would a verb that ends with Vn be subject-nommed with a reduplication of
the Vn or is the epenthetic vowel always {i}?

That is:
Vn -> Vnin
-or-
Vn -> VnVn

> Object-Oriented: -Vm
In târuven, this is {ä=}

äteì - beloved, with a more worn-down form: atei
äcvy - followed
äkru - murdered (murder-victim)

> na'ni 'cook with fire' -> na'ni-m 'that which is cooked with fire; meal
> (that was prepared with fire)'
> naali 'tell' -> naali-m 'that which is told; story'
> kene 'give' -> kene-m 'that which is given to someone; gift'
> ajlo 'follow' -> ajlo-m 'one that is followed; prey'
Looks like this one doesn't differ between animate and inanimate objects
at least.

> Oblique-Oriented: -atap
Hmm don't think this 'un is covered...

Other nominalizers so far attested in târuven are (there are others
which make new nouns out of other nouns but that wasn't the topic now
was it):

=ad'    result of X
=aì     people of X
=djall  time, age of X
=ia     place, land, area, nation of X
=ill    usable for X
=lann   capable of X
=ryss   art of X


t., whose schedule is finally empty enough to allow for luxuries such as
this list... for as long as it lasts...

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