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Re: Vyh orthography, was: Negatives (Vyh)

From:SuomenkieliMaa <suomenkieli@...>
Date:Saturday, December 22, 2001, 10:13
--- Vasiliy Chernov <bc_@...> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:27:51 -0800, SuomenkieliMaa > <suomenkieli@...> > wrote: > > >IN VYH. > >gkjoe = eat > >gkjoeaf = not eat > >yyigkjoe = over-eat > >ppe = vomit (for any reason) > >rrhuuo = puke (ie, a bit vulgar for "vomit") > >yyirrhuuo = spew (vomit everyone, uncontrollably) > >yyigkjoeppe = throw up (due to over-eating) > >ooegkjoe = refrain from eating (for any reason) > >ooegkjoeppe = throw up (due to lack of food) > >hyvooegkjoe = fast (at one's own volition) > >hyvyyigkjoe = binge (ie, over-eat at one's > volition) > > > >Note, the following are each one character in Vyh: > >oe [sounds like a schwa], > >rrh [a thrilled r with a slight huff at the end], > >uu [long /u/], > >yy [long /Y/], > >kj [/j/ but which is /k:j/ is preceded by g] > >aux [like Danish o/slash] > >ei [/ej/] > > Cool! does {ooe} stand for long schwa? What is {pp}? > > (sorry, I don't remember if you've already explained > that elsewhere) > > Basilius
Oh, terribly sorry for taking so long to reply, and I admit that I'm happy for the "cool!" remark. As for the questions: - {ooe} is not a long schwa, but rather {o} (which I believe is /O/) followed by a schwa. It's a peculiar sound, perhaps sounds a little like one's being pretentious, and as such the Enclave (ie, Vya:a:hns) tend to use this combination for vocabulary of negativity [hence, _ooe_ itself means "under, below, lack, in-, under-"] - {ppe} is just due to the Vya:a:hn script, reflecting that pp must be written twice, in positions 1 and 2. You may not know it, but I posted a long email months back about the orthography. Vya:a:hn orthography resembles Hangul vaguely, and Japanese vaguely, and Khmer vaguely, in that it has rather square-ish characters (with some markings similar closer to Khmer). Though 100% phonetic characters, they can take on a sort of kanji-like function as pictograms for certain words. Vyh. writing is always in sets of 3, in an inverted triangle format, hence {ppe} would be: p p e In addition, there are some exceptions and also vowel-harmony and consonant-harmony rules that accompany the orthography. So even though _ppe_ [vomit] is written as is above, you would have to write _hyyva:_ [good] as follows: ^ yy h v Notice that ^ (used to indicate vowel-harmony, where position 2 vowel makes the default to that 4th unwritten vowel sound) goes in between position 1 (h) and position 2 (yy). And you would write _suuiveshmdj_ [the ocean] as: * uu s e v i sh - where * and _ represent two accent markings, the former used in consonant-harmony (ie, where position 3 consonant makes the default to that 4th unwritten consonant sound) and the latter is the marking for _dj_ or the definite article. Some more examples of pictograms based off the purely phonetic characters is as follows: * the honorific _hy'yy_ is actually written exactly the same as _hyyva:_ and can usually be detected only by the usage * relative pronouns usually begin with kj- and in the written, are indicated as relative pronouns by the doubling of the character _kj_; whereas any other vocabulary beginning with kj- would be written with a single character _kj_ Other notes on the orthography... *The vowel-harmony indicator ^ is most common on adjectives, whereas the consonant-harmony indicator * is most common on nouns. *Verbals are inflicted in both person and number, but none of this is ever indicated in the written. Hence, the simple conjugation of Vyh. verbals is: -n 1st per, sing -d 2nd per, sing -l (or blank) 3rd per, sing -m 1st per, plur -t 2nd per, plur -v 3rd per, plur but in actual writing, one would incorporate the written form of the pronouns following the verbal and add a bar on top of the verbal itself: meaning: I see spoken Vyh.: na:yn [verbal stem: na:y] written Vyh.: na:y'yai (as below) _ a: n a y y i meaning: we can't come spoken Vyh.: vyyvm tauxlaf [verbal stem: vyyv, tauxl] written Vyh.: vyyv'yyai tauxafl (as below) - yy v ai yy aux t v (ts) f l Note that the negation indicator, -af- in Vyh., is written by the character for f but always is embedded within the verbal stem. As such, one always is verbalizing position 1 first, then position 2 second, then position 4 third, then positon 3 last (adding that default _a_ for negation). Well, that's enough for now! Don't get me started on the deceitful character _ts_, which can take on many different appearances from being silent to _ts_ to indicating the preceding vowel is doubled... Take care & happy holidays Matt33 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online!