Re: Vyh orthography, was: Negatives (Vyh)

--- Vasiliy Chernov <bc_@...> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:27:51 -0800, SuomenkieliMaa
> <suomenkieli@...>
> wrote:
>
> >IN VYH.
> >gkjoe       = eat
> >gkjoeaf     = not eat
> >yyigkjoe    = over-eat
> >ppe         = vomit (for any reason)
> >rrhuuo      = puke (ie, a bit vulgar for "vomit")
> >yyirrhuuo   = spew (vomit everyone, uncontrollably)
> >yyigkjoeppe = throw up (due to over-eating)
> >ooegkjoe    = refrain from eating (for any reason)
> >ooegkjoeppe = throw up (due to lack of food)
> >hyvooegkjoe = fast (at one's own volition)
> >hyvyyigkjoe = binge (ie, over-eat at one's
> volition)
> >
> >Note, the following are each one character in Vyh:
> >oe  [sounds like a schwa],
> >rrh [a thrilled r with a slight huff at the end],
> >uu  [long /u/],
> >yy  [long /Y/],
> >kj  [/j/ but which is /k:j/ is preceded by g]
> >aux [like Danish o/slash]
> >ei  [/ej/]
>
> Cool! does {ooe} stand for long schwa? What is {pp}?
>
> (sorry, I don't remember if you've already explained
> that elsewhere)
>
> Basilius
Oh, terribly sorry for taking so long to reply, and I
admit that I'm happy for the "cool!" remark.

As for the questions:

- {ooe} is not a long schwa, but rather {o} (which I
believe is /O/) followed by a schwa.  It's a peculiar
sound, perhaps sounds a little like one's being
pretentious, and as such the Enclave (ie, Vya:a:hns)
tend to use this combination for vocabulary of
negativity [hence, _ooe_ itself means "under, below,
lack, in-, under-"]

- {ppe} is just due to the Vya:a:hn script, reflecting
that pp must be written twice, in positions 1 and 2.
You may not know it, but I posted a long email months
back about the orthography.  Vya:a:hn orthography
resembles Hangul vaguely, and Japanese vaguely, and
Khmer vaguely, in that it has rather square-ish
characters (with some markings similar closer to
Khmer).  Though 100% phonetic characters, they can
take on a sort of kanji-like function as pictograms
for certain words.  Vyh. writing is always in sets of
3, in an inverted triangle format, hence {ppe} would
be:

    p   p
      e

In addition, there are some exceptions and also
vowel-harmony and consonant-harmony rules that
accompany the orthography.  So even though _ppe_
[vomit] is written as is above, you would have to
write _hyyva:_ [good] as follows:

      ^
   yy    h
      v

Notice that ^ (used to indicate vowel-harmony, where
position 2 vowel makes the default to that 4th
unwritten vowel sound) goes in between position 1 (h)
and position 2 (yy).

And you would write _suuiveshmdj_ [the ocean] as:

                *
    uu   s    e    v
       i        sh
                 -

where * and _ represent two accent markings, the
former used in consonant-harmony (ie, where position 3
consonant makes the default to that 4th unwritten
consonant sound) and the latter is the marking for
_dj_ or the definite article.

Some more examples of pictograms based off the purely
phonetic characters is as follows:

* the honorific _hy'yy_ is actually written exactly
  the same as _hyyva:_ and can usually be detected
  only by the usage
* relative pronouns usually begin with kj- and in the
  written, are indicated as relative pronouns by the
  doubling of the character _kj_; whereas any other
  vocabulary beginning with kj- would be written with
  a single character _kj_

Other notes on the orthography...

*The vowel-harmony indicator ^ is most common on
adjectives, whereas the consonant-harmony indicator *
is most common on nouns.

*Verbals are inflicted in both person and number, but
none of this is ever indicated in the written.  Hence,
the simple conjugation of Vyh. verbals is:
  -n             1st per, sing
  -d             2nd per, sing
  -l (or blank)  3rd per, sing
  -m             1st per, plur
  -t             2nd per, plur
  -v             3rd per, plur

but in actual writing, one would incorporate the
written form of the pronouns following the verbal and
add a bar on top of the verbal itself:

  meaning:        I see
  spoken Vyh.:    na:yn
  [verbal stem:   na:y]
  written Vyh.:   na:y'yai (as below)

    _
  a:  n  a   y
    y      i


  meaning:        we can't come
  spoken Vyh.:    vyyvm tauxlaf
  [verbal stem:   vyyv, tauxl]
  written Vyh.:   vyyv'yyai tauxafl (as below)

     -
  yy   v   ai    yy   aux   t
     v       (ts)         f
                          l

Note that the negation indicator, -af- in Vyh., is
written by the character for f but always is embedded
within the verbal stem.  As such, one always is
verbalizing position 1 first, then position 2 second,
then position 4 third, then positon 3 last (adding
that default _a_ for negation).

Well, that's enough for now!  Don't get me started on
the deceitful character _ts_, which can take on many
different appearances from being silent to _ts_ to
indicating the preceding vowel is doubled...

Take care & happy holidays
Matt33


















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