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Alexiteca, _Aalexsit'exaa_

From:J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>
Date:Monday, March 25, 2002, 6:52
en 03.24.2002 12.45.28 AM g.rafi X.rist'ofee.Grrandzir .ts' meme-g.rafi:

>En réponse � J Y S Czhang <czhang23@...>: > >> How else to have the _au_ /@U/ diphthong and thus be able to write >> _Aum_, "Om" /@Um/? ;) >> IIRC, "Aum" is the older Romanization of the Sanskrit or is it just >> an alternative spelling? > >In a little introduction of Sanskrit I have, the phoneme /o:/ is described >as "a leaning towards u", and thus transcribed "au". This transcription >also emphasises the fact that Sanskrit "au" could only be long (according to >that little introduction, only "a", "i" and "u" had short forms opposed to
I thought so. The difference between British and American speech habits confused me there (I tend to flux 'tween the two - my British annunciation is still evident but the "accent" is negligible, almost like an upper-class New Englander who went to Yale [my Mum did] or like a less obnoxious Carl Sagan ;).
>> Vowels are pronounced individually, each form the nucleus for their >> own syllable. > >How do you solve hiatus? Or don't you solve them and just keep them? (you >can do that, that's what my Astou does and what Old and Middle French did :)) >)
... tho' I am not too certain about that concept to be ruthlessly honest, but I think the idea of syllable division being lexeme-/lexico-semantically dependent is a factor in prosody , i.e. “centi-meter,” “peri-meter,” “thermo-meter,”Ol-i-go-cene,” “Paleo-cene,” “Poly-gonum,” ... the Greek word “anamiktos” pronounced/written _ana-miktos_ means mixed up, _an-amiktos_ means unmixed, not mixed up!!! "Lexeme division" - _lexeme-idee_ - is highly marked - both by stressing and ortho-graphy. Luckily I am choosing mostly word-roots that have (C)(C)V(C)(C) or (V)(C)CV patterns or similar. Am I on target or off? 0_o?
>> VOWELS, other LIQUIDS, RHOTICS, etc.: > >> i u ee oo >> U Ã
^^^ should be an umlaut-ed 'u' <SNiP>
>Please don't use Unicode encoding in e-mails please :(( <sob>. Well, it's >not that bad since I can read it on my webmail (I just change the encoding >of IE for a minute :)) ). But if this time it worked, some times it doesn't
:(( ---> elsewhere Christophe writes:
>Why don't you write /U/ simply "u"? After all, you mark /u/ as "oom". Or >is it an aesthetic claim? :))
Sorry. I try to remember... but get - er - um - rather manic... I am still fine-tuning my conlang's phonetic inventory and orthography ... and I came up with a much shorter name _ .ur'-ae'u'm _ * << * _ae_ is the ligature digraph coopted to "schwa" /@/ in .ur'-ae'u'm; _'u'_ is my ASCII for umlaut u coopted to be /U/>> .ur'-ae'u'm /3:` @Um/..."Ur-Aum" or "Ur-Om" in _Aanglis_ ;) .ur'-ae'u'm's name: - fits the sound-symbolism in this Conlang - the various multi-level phono-lexico-semantic metaphors being "built" into .ur'-ae'u'm - is a nice touch of dead-pan punning (dead as Ur, the ancient Sumerian city) on the sounds made by someone brain-farting, i.e. " ummm..." ;) - is an _hommage_ to the mix of languages & ideas contributing to it vaevo .ur'-ae'u'm ~ aa-lego-lexsi-t'exaa meme-idee linga-.lilaa! ae'u'm /v@vo 3:`_h @Um a lego leksi t_heka meme idi linga L_hila @Um/ life/intensity Ur-Aum, a-Lego-word(s)-bag/-contain(er) Gestalt-thought(s) ... tongue(phallic)-(divine)play/creation! Aum (Long)life (to) Ur-Om, a Lego-like language of current, powerful ideas and creative sacred-&-profane word play! Om
>> It's a great strategy for making a somewhat-flexible, user-friendly >> phonology(& its orthography) IMHO to cope with _really_ difficult consonant >> clusters and also a nice effect in a basically spartan, minimalistic >> phonology * (I cobbled it together based on Richard Harrison's and >> Rick Moreanu's NatLang data on "easiest"-phonemes-to-pronounce and then >> tossed in a few "spicy" dissonant notes as counterpoint to the basic
harmony ...
>> I think I want a just a couple more simple "rough, cracked" sound-colours >> and timbres tho'. Suggestions?). > >Use creaky voice? It can be used with both vowels and consonants, and is >easy to recognise and produce (though I had never heard of it just a few
>ago, it took me one use of the IPA Help program to master creaky voice :)) . >I wish it was the same with other sounds :((( ), or at least relatively easy, >and still very exotic.
I tend to have a low, gutteral creaky voicing (a la heroin junkies like the late William S. Burroughs but a little more aggressive like Japanese samurai speaking). And my throat chanting/singing of "dark"-coloured rhotic vowels and rhotic-to-trill-R sounds in the velar-to-epiglottal ranges seem to have had some slight effect on my conlanging recently. And my polyglot fiend-friend Yuri wrote to me about the 2 different "coloured," emphasized L sounds in Russian: alveolar lateral approximant /l/ - i.e. English "life" "lively" - and - the wonderfully "darker" sound of the velar lateral approximant /L/ - the final 'l's in "lethal", "school" ,"pool", "gutteral" if one annunicates the English clearly - not mumbled... ah! "mumbled" has the dark L! At least in my dialect... interestin'... ::dark mumbling like a lunatic language-mangler:: :)
>OFF-TOPIC (but may be interesting :)) ): > >> * One of the connotations of the Japanese Zen concept of _wabi_ >> /"wQbI/is that of a cultivated naturalness and minimalistic, stark poetic >> purity - "perfect imperfection/imperfect perfection": simple,
>> roughly created, asymmetrical, plainly coloured, deliberately cracked and
>> by the very processes of creation (working with/mimicking Nature), >> "Appropriate Tech/High Touch," etc.
>A very important concept in Japan. IMO, it's basically their concept of >perfection. The Western concept of perfection is something which has only >qualities. For the Japanese, such a thing cannot exist. Their concept of >perfection is one of perfect balance: a perfect thing balances its drawbacks >with its qualities. Same for people: a perfect person in the Western sense >would simply be inhuman for a Japanese. For them, a perfect person with >some exceptional qualities must balance them with some strong defects to stay >human.
In referring to embracing one's Shadow - or one's Dark Side - to reclaim one's soul, Carl Jung wrote: "I rather be whole than good." I aspire to that ;)
>That's for instance why characters of Japanese manga with exceptional
>have often a stupid side: to keep them from becoming inhuman. For instance, >Goku of Dragon Ball Z is the perfect warrior, ready to sacrifice himself >for humanity. Yet he is also very naive and glutton, and not very smart.
>Ryo from City Hunter is the perfect private detective, keeping cold blood
>danger is near and able to use his gun with chirurgical precision.
"Chirurgical" ? :) ::runs to the OED:: Not there! OH... ya mean "surgical"? hmmm, I kinda like the look of that word... .ur'ae'u'm -ized: xi.rurrgixaa /kiR\ur\`gika/
> Yet he is also a pervert who would do anything to go out with girls :)) .
And let's
>take my favourite character, Sailor Moon :)) . She is a clumsy, bad-at-school >crybaby. Yet she is ready to sacrifice herself for her friends at any time >and her power to love is so great that she'll save the whole humanity with >it :)) .
Intriguin'. I need to get "into" anime more when I have the time & money (oh I have time on my hands, I am "disabled"... it's the money part that I don't).
>Sorry for the digression, but I thought it might be an interesting cultural >explanation :)) .
::singin' silly ditty:: I sorry, you sorry, we all sorry... the whole bleedin' human race is sorry... ::stops:: I'll shut-up now. For now ;)
>Christophe. > > > >Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.
Esp'ly if they don't _support_ yours. Or cooperate with you in the spirit of union and cross the line ;) "Don't tread on my picket line..." ::zipz ze Zhangie lipz:: Hanuman Zhang {HANoomaan JAHng} /'hanuma~n dZa'hN/ __ __ _ __ _ __ __ __ _ __ _ ___ ___ _ CENTO: twinkle twinkle lil stars Un COUP De DéS ... JAMAIS ... N'ABOLIRA ... Le HASARD <> I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! O! Notte stellata... matematica... les astres sont le silencieux orchestre des mondes in connus OM ... m'illumino d' immenso... OM


Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>