Re: Ygyde and philosophical languages

On Friday 17 January 2003 7:16 pm, Tim May wrote:
> Joe writes:
>  > On Friday 17 January 2003 6:59 pm, H. S. Teoh wrote:
>  > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 01:13:51PM -0500, James Landau wrote:
>  > > [snip]
>  > >
>  > > > > But if it's the same as in
>  > > > >"saw", most people would consider that the same as the vowel of
>  > > > > "hot". And then you've got even more trouble.
>  > > >
>  > > >  I interpret the "all" or "saw" vowel sound as meaning it has that
>  > > > "w" glide at the end -- like the sound people make at something
>  > > > disappointing. (Or, come to think of it, something really cute . .
>  > > > .) Like the vowel sound in "port", just without an R after it.
>  > > > "Hot", on the other hand, mind be interpreted as a pure /a/ . . .
>  > >
>  > > [snip]
>  > >
>  > > OK, I just *cannot* let that past me, no matter how hard I try :-)  I
>  > > grew up with, and am extremely calcified, with pronouncing "hot" as
>  > > [hAt] instead of [hat] (probably a Britishism). Of course, this
>  > > depends on which English idiolect you're talking about; but I believe
>  > > /o/ as [a] is a purely American feature.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > T
>  >
>  > Well, the normal British expression is [hOt].  It is the same vowel as
>  > in saw[sO:], just shorter.
>
> Well, _I_ say it's [hQt], and the OED agrees with me. :-P
Well, I have problems with distinguishing [O] and [Q] when short.

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