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Re: CHAT: barbarisms (was: CHAT: Being both theologically correct and properly modern)

From:Frank George Valoczy <valoczy@...>
Date:Monday, May 14, 2001, 17:38
On Mon, 14 May 2001, dirk elzinga wrote:

> On Mon, 14 May 2001, BP Jonsson wrote: > > > At 08:22 2001-05-13 -0600, dirk elzinga wrote: > > > > >My surname is most often pronounced with stress on the > > >penultima, [El.'ziN.g@] rather than with native Frisian initial > > >syllable stress: ['El.ziN.Xa]. The English accentuation fits the > > >"Latinate" pattern, but "Elzinga" is certainly not a name taken > > >from Classical Antiquity. > > > > Which pronunciation do you use yourself? > > When I was in the Netherlands, I used the Frisian/Dutch > pronunciation (of course!). Here, I use the Anglicized > ['El.'ziN.g@] since I find that people are too disconcerted to > hear: 1) initial stress on a word of more than two syllables > which ends in a vowel, and 2) the Dutch velar fricative. Some > people do give the name initial stress ['El.ziN.g@], but the > final vowel annoyingly often becomes a syllabic /r/ (!). >
In which case I would immediately assume they are talking about Elsinore (Helsingo/r) in Denmark... =) It's actually rather amusing to hear people try to say my last name...I've hear [va"lA:tSi], [va"lA:ksi], [va"loutSi], [va"lA:ski] and many others. I'm a bit recalcitrant and I insist on people getting as close as they can to the proper pronunciation of ["va:lo:tsi], which generally ends up as ["va:lVtsi], which is close enough I guess. My sister though, in Hungary or with Hungarian speakers naturally uses the proper pronunciation, but with non-Hungarian speakers uses [va"lousi] (which makes me cringe... =) ) Interesting this is, how the pronunciation of names change... -------ferko Ferenc Gy. Valoczy Free British Columbia! Virtual Votia - Vaddjamaa Internetaza: railways page: 25kV 50Hz: