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Re: What could /s/+/h/ become?

From:Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
Date:Wednesday, August 24, 2005, 21:59
Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder@...> writes:
> Moin moin!
> I know a natlang that uses a lot of initial <s-h>: Flemish (South Western > Dutch, spoken mainly in Belgium, but also in smaller areas in NW France > and SW Netherlands). > It's the equivalent of Dutch <sch> [sx], German <sch> [S], English <sh> [S] > and Scandinavian <sk>. > > > s-haop [shQ:p] sheep Dutch schaap [sxa:p] > s-hriv'n [shri:vn]to write Dutch schrijven ["sxrEiv@] > > etc > > In this case, <s-h> is a mutation itself from <sch> or <sk>. > In South West Dutch, all <g> [G] and <ch> [x] muteted to <h>, which sounds > more like the forcefull Arabic <H> than the European soft one, btw.
I perceived them as [x] and [G] and the (Northern) Dutch ones as [X], so I remember hearing ["sxri:vn=] vs. ["sXREiv_0@]. Anyway, that's details. :-) Yeah -- one option still at the top of my list of choices is indeed /s/+/h/ > [sk]. Something like the reverse of what happened in Germanic: sx < sk did happen, so the other direction might be enforced by S11 sandhi rules, no? The other high score option with would be to introduce geminate fricatives. Geminate stops become h+stop like in Modern Icelandic. But for fricatives, geminates might be an option. After all, sandhi may be the source of new phonemes so I think I should probably not stick too much to the initial phoneme table I defined. Hmm. It's really hard to make good sandhi tables. I'm currently changing them back and forth without reaching satisfaction. **Henrik