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Re: Consonants and sonorant as vowels

From:Josh Brandt-Young <vionau@...>
Date:Thursday, July 4, 2002, 22:30
on 7/4/02 2:32 AM, Pavel Iosad at pavel_iosad@MAIL.RU wrote:

>> Polish has "jablko" (where l = l-stroke), but it is usually >> pronounced [japko]. >> Maybe in some cases like [jabuko], I'm not sure about that. > > Don't think so. To the best of my knowledge, all Polish Cl/- groups > before anything but a vowel simplify to C. So "pletl/" [plet], jabl/ko > [japko], but bl/a,d [bwont].
Occasionally in extremely "careful" (and maybe slightly affected) speech, the L/ will actually show up in these positions: [jabwkO], stl/uk/ [stwukw_0].
>> It won't count >> anyway, since l-stroke is rather a semivowel than a >> consonant; its normal SAMPA >> transcription would be [w]. > > Not really. Don't know the SAMPA, but a labiovelar sonorant. And even if > [w] is a labiovlear sonorant as well, still Polish l/ sounds definitely > different from [w].
In fact, as a native Polish speaker, I can say with confidence that in most people's pronunciation, this *is* IPA [w]. There are cases in the speech of certain areas (Lublin, for example) and actors/news announcers where this will come through as a velarised lateral, like the Russian /l/ before a back vowel. But for 95% of Poles it's a [w] straight-up. -- Joshua Brandt-Young <vionau@...> "After the tempest I behold, once more, the weasel." Mispronunciation of Ancient Greek


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