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Re: Declension Help

From:Adam F. <hypaholic@...>
Date:Saturday, December 16, 2006, 6:24
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:56:04 -0800, David J. Peterson <dedalvs@...> wrote:

>Adam wrote: ><< >I need help with creating a declension (system?). I think I'm quite >bad at >it. I've looked at various languages and the patterns they seem to use. >Which gives me ideas, but I don't want to rip mine right from an >existing >language. I was wondering if anyone had any advice that might make it >a bit >easier? > >> > >Creating a declension system is, for me, quite possibly the most >interesting part of creating a language. If you're happy with the >forms (suffixes or prefixes, or whatever), and it comes to naming >cases, and how they're used, what you should do is go to your >verbs. What kinds of verbs do you have, and what do they need? >What kind of information needs to be encoded, and where do >you want to put it? Part of what your case system can do for you >is it can help to make the verbal system more precise--especially >if you don't have a lot of verbal morphology. > >If you're stuck on how to go about it, I'd strongly recommend >taking a look at Matt Pearson's talk at the LCC, which you can >view at Google video by following the link below: > >http://video.google.com/videoplay? >docid=-7308759491555175687&q=language+creation+conference > >You can download his handout from my site here: > >http://dedalvs.free.fr/misc/pearson-handout.pdf > >I think Matt's title is rather relevant here: "Case, Aspect, and >Argument Structure: One Conlanger's Investigations". Creating >a system is something that's individual for each conlanger and >each conlang. Even if you try to borrow a system (which I've >tried to do in the past), it invariably ends up becoming individual, >anyway, either because the details get left out in the transfer (or >rearranged), or the conlang itself demands that the system be >altered in some way that only makes sense because of how the >language you've got works. Matt's talk is great because it not >only gives you some background on case and aspect, but it >shows you how he went from the beginning to the finished >product with Tokana. His description of that process might be >useful to you. What he did was he decided to rethink his case >system by starting over and reimagining how it all might >work, giving each case a basic meaning, and seeing how that >would work with the rest of the language. The way he defined >it gave the whole system a certain feel that's left its footprints >all over the language. > >As you start to develop stuff, you should post on conlang to >get some feedback; see how it all shapes up, and how you like >it. I dig case. I'd be interested to see how your system develops. :) > >-David >******************************************************************* >"sunly eleSkarez ygralleryf ydZZixelje je ox2mejze." >"No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn." > >-Jim Morrison > >http://dedalvs.free.fr/ >=========================================================================
The bit of verb in relation to declension advice was useful becasue I never thought it that way. Now that I think of it, it should help in some way. I want a verb system that has some analytical aspects compared to what you might expect for something with lots of noun cases. Now I begin wonder what the cases could do for a system with limited conjugation. Thanks