Re: OT sonority in Russian, was Re: syllables
| From: | Vladimir Vysotsky <trivee@...> |
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| Date: | Friday, June 20, 2003, 1:06 |
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JS Bangs wrote:
>>But even then, your rules won't cover the cases when single-consonant
>>prepositions <k>, <v>, <s> do not get the epenthetic vowel:
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>><k vstreche> /kfstre-/, <v l'vinyj> /vl'vi-/, <s mneniem> /smne-/
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> /l'v/ is no sonority violation (since /v/ acts as a semivowel), so
> /vl'lvi-/ is no problem, actually.
Then something like <v mnogoslovii> /vmno-/.
> These other words were the bane of me back in the day. Are these actually
> *pronounced* without the epenthetic vowel, or merely spelled without them?
They're definitely not easy to pronounce as is, but I don't hear myself
adding a vowel. If rapid speech I'd most probably drop one or several
consonants instead.
<http://trivee.org/clusters.mp3> is how I pronounce the words above
(alone and with some realistic context). My idiolect (south-Russian,
from Kiev, Ukraine) is hopefully not very different from the literary
norm.
> The case of /smne-/ is especially bad, since it's exactly the same cluster
> as the one forbidden in <so mnoj>. Does stress enter in here?
Not really. Compare <so mnogimi> [sa"mnog'im'i] and <s mnozhestvom>
["smnoZestvam]. The rules are more historical than anything else.
> Also, I forget--do we write say /k mne/ or /ko mne/?\
The latter; <mne>, <mnoy> always requiring the epenthetic -o (vo,
ko, obo, so, nado, podo, peredo etc.)
Vladimir