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Re: syllable-word nonalignment

From:Alex Fink <000024@...>
Date:Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:04
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:27:55 +0000, Eugene Oh <un.doing@...> wrote:

>rDzongkha does something similar, IIRC. But it went a different way in that >the consonant clusters simplified, so instead of having CVC.CVC, you have >CV.CV. >See Wikipedia! It can explain so much better than I can.
Actually I don't see that much on WP: is it somewhere other than the main Dzongkha article? But, yeah, I bet the most likely thing to happen if most of your words have onset clusters is for these to simplify in place. On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:34:40 -0500, Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> wrote:
>This is vaguely reminiscent of Leti, a language of the Indonesian Lesser >Sundas, except there it operates on final -CVC [...] >There's also a recent book-length study (2004) "Leti: a language of >Southwest Maluku" by Aone van Englenhoven, a native speaker, that ought to >be in the UC library by now. Fascinating.
Ah, yes, you've mentioned Leti quite a lot onlist; maybe I'll have to go check it out.
>The other thing that occurred to me: Perhaps at an earlier stage, initial >clusters required a vowel/schwa to be inserted; then your stage of this >language lost that rule, with your outcome as a result.
Plausible enough. Or this rule took hold immediately after the loss of a diachronically original vowel in those clusters.
>But the question >remains, how would your outcome differ from an input of /bat gudem daskal >ti/ assuming those are possible words????
Probably it wouldn't, unless prosody depended on it maybe? So if stress assignment preceded resyllabification and fell on the rightmost closed syllable then the inputs /daska lti/ and /daskal ti/ would be distinguished as ['das.kal ti] and [das.'kal ti].
>Or, what would happen with /baC tgudeC mdaska.../??
Interesthing things ;-) I haven't sat down and thought out anything particular. The boring thing would be for one or the other coda C to drop. Or maybe they could coalesce (/ba? tgu.../ [bat_> gu...]) or one could reduce to a vowel feature or some kind of supersegment (/ban tgu.../ [ba~t gu...]) or ...
>Vaguely similar are the cases in Engl. and I think elsewhere, where the >initial C of a word gets reassigned to a preceding article-- Engl. "(an) >adder" vs. other Germanic _Nader_ etc. [...]
Oh, yes, I should've remembered that, given I was just merging the Wikipedia articles on all that stuff. Which also reminds me, tantalisingly: I've heard of an instance of not quite this but something else similar in some native North American language: there was a clitic that phonologically bound to the previous word despite being syntactically associated to the next one. But I remember nothing else about this except having seen it in Mithun's book... Alex