Re: yet another romance conlang
|From:||Tom Wier <artabanos@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, January 15, 2000, 12:14|
Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Raymond Brown wrote:
> > Possibly - I get the impression that the _Latin_ Christianity west of Libya
> > had largely disappeared before the Crusades (did they move on up into
> > Spain?).
> Well, the history of those days is mightily confused, what with Vandal,
> Goths and what-not - Arian heritics, too. I have always thought those
> invasions had laid waste the African provinces even before the invasion
> of Justinian into Italy.
Well, one of the problems is that "Latin" Christianity at this point means
the mass is being celebrated in the Latin language, as the Eastern Church
had not yet rejected the primacy of the Pope in Rome, and therefore anyone
who wasn't officially proclaimed a heretic (the Arians, the Monophysites, the
Sabellians, the Priscillianists, the Montanists, etc.) was "Orthodox". So,
when you take that into account, I don't think "Latin" Christianity stopped
until Muslim invasions of the 8th century. From the Vandals onward, I'm
pretty sure the churches in North Africa were more or less Arians like
their conquerors were.
> But that's only from Lest Darkness Fall, I can't
> remember whether Gibbon said anything about it.
Gibbon's not much use if you're looking for analysis (his moralizing's basically
the reason why Byzantine history has been ignored in Western Europe for
the last two centuries); but if all you care about is factual data, you'll never
find a more prolific source.
Tom Wier <artabanos@...>
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