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From:Muke Tever <alrivera@...>
Date:Wednesday, January 5, 2000, 0:06
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From: "Nik Taylor" <fortytwo@...>
> Muke Tever wrote: > > Know why? > > The Mayans had zero. When our calendar was invented, we didn't. > > True, but we use zero in ages. A child isn't "1" at birth, but rather > "0", altho we actually say "newborn". With chronology, we start with 1, > with ages we start with 0. Strange.
Actually zero in ages is rare. A newborn child usually gets its age in weeks or months; instead of 'The child is zero years old' you get something like 'The child is five months old.'
> Besides, saying "because there was no year 0" makes it sound like an > aberration that we've since outgrown.
Well, not necessarily. It basically means that even if they had wanted it.. they hadn't had it.
> But saying that 1BC, 1AD is a "blunder" is, IMO, false.
(Didn't think it was a blunder...)
> If you start a job, do you refer to the day you begin as your "zeroth > day" at that job? No, it's the "first day".
Right.. zero is not a 'counting number' (or 'natural number' is the more normal term?). When you're just counting, you use 'counting numbers': { 1, 2, 3,... } When we have a number line that goes one way from an origin point, you use 'whole numbers': { 0, 1, 2, 3,... } And when your number line goes both ways, you use 'integers': { ..., -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3,... } So basically our problem is that our time line isn't a number line, though _now_ that's what we expect it to be... right?
> The Solar Calendar, which was invented in the United Cities of Luna in > the 22nd (?) century, and implemented in the 25th (?) uses 0.
Mmm. There's no terasse word for zero-as-a-number, although there is 'nel-' for an absence of quantity. Calendar still needs working on...
> > "Me too".. though I've once heard 'Y2L' offered. > > Y2L? As in L follows K? Odd.
See, because the computers couldn't handle four digits, they use 'Y2K', 'Y2L', 'Y2M', etc. and won't run out for quite some time. *Muke! -- "I don't play hooky--I work very hard at it." AIM: MukeTurtle FM: Muke ICQ: 1936556