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Re: How you pronunce foreign place names

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Monday, January 22, 2007, 2:42
When sufficiently educated (whether formally or via life experience),
Anglophones have two distinct sets of rules for converting unfamiliar
written words to speech sounds: one for English words and one for
"foreign" words.  The latter includes the Latin vowels, /Z/ or /j/ for
|j|,  etc.  So unfamiliar names often come out with a pronunciation
that conforms to neither Englsh or native patterns.

On 1/21/07, li_sasxsek@nutter.net <li_sasxsek@...> wrote:
> li [Herman Miller] mi tulis la > > > > 3. Pronounce it Englishly, butwith some exoticisation [beIZIN] > > > > Ugh. Now if I were speaking French or Portuguese that would > > make sense, > > but English has a perfectly good /dZ/ sound, and /Z/ might be > > mistaken > > for Chinese /r/. I don't expect reporters to know how Chinese /r/ is > > pronounced, but someone has got to let them hear a recording of how a > > native Chinese speaker pronounces Beijing (hint: they won't hear > > anything like a /Z/ in it). > > Another one they are always messing up is Fallujah, saying it [f@luZ@]. > There are some versions of Arabic that pronounce ج as [Z] but not the Iraqi > variety where it is more likely to be [j] or [dZ] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieties_of_Arabic > "ج jiim (CA /ʤ/) too varies widely. In some Arabian Bedouin dialects, and > parts of the Sudan, it is still realized as the medieval Persian linguist > Sibawayh described it, as a palatalized /gʲ/. In Egypt and Yemen, it is a > plain /g/. In most of North Africa and the Levant, it is /ʒ/, apart from > Algeria. In the Gulf and Iraq, it often becomes /j/. Elsewhere, it is > usually /ʤ/." > > Reporters seem to be really bad about pronunciation, almost as if they are > trying too hard to sound "sophisticated" to cover up for not knowing how it > should be pronounced. It only demonstrates just how ignorant a lot of them > are about the things they are reporting on, beyong just the names, and I see > the situation constantly growing worse. >
-- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>

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