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Project 55 (was: I'm back)

From:Isaac Penzev <isaacp@...>
Date:Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 20:22
Benct Philip Jonsson girs'epset':

| Isaac Penzev skrev:
| > Henrik Theiling girs'epset':
| > FYI: The site was updated on Aug 28 11:19pm GMT+2. Now it contains about
| > half of my paper notes.
| What's the meaning of the empty brackets after Ж (ZH) and Ы (Y),
| and does it have any semantic difference from the total lack of
| brackets after П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш (R through SH)?

Nay. It's haste + laziness. You must have noticed the note NOT COMPLETE near
the alphabet. Anyway, those are working notes, not a final presentation.
I'll fix it ASAP.

| I see you
| use Ы (Y) in the declension, so it must have some value in the
| lang! :-)

Ы [ɘ]

| The Һ (SSHA) letter looks strangely out of place.

"SHHA" usu. denotes [h] or [ɦ] in extended Cyrillics. I'm not happy with
this decision, but this is the way life goes. I may change it to Ғ one day.

| Too bad there is no KH with hook in Unicode!

It will be in Unicode v.5. For now SIL has it in PUA in its fonts. For me,
it is voiceless - [h].

| Wouldn't you need letters for 'ыа - эа'?

They are the same phoneticly, but represent different underlying phonemes:
see Chukchee vowel harmony (TM). I put superscript "a" not as a part of
spelling, but as a reminder for me that they belong to the "low" harmonic
type ("dominant" in Chukchee). In contrast to the Ch. VH, in P55 the
harmonic type is always controlled by the root vowel, like in Turkic.
Though it may need further explanation, in practice I would think about four
vowel archiphonemes /i\/, /i/, /u/ and /a/ plus a high/low marker.

Other comments - later.

| > I'm still in search for an ideal that could become my main conlang used
| > translation exercises, relays etc. This time I'm close to this goal as
| > before.
| Congratulations.  Hopefully I'll be able to use Sohlob
| in a relay some day.

The only thing I meant while saying "close", was the general spirit of the
project, rather than its usability etc.

| Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se

Best regards,
-- Yitzik who is not afraid to demonstrate the raw product...


Eric Christopherson <rakko@...>