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Re: Icelandic language (was Re: World Pidgin Suffices)

From:Danny Wier <dawier@...>
Date:Thursday, June 22, 2000, 0:59
>From: BP Jonsson <bpj@...> >Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <CONLANG@...> >To: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU >Subject: Re: Icelandic language (was Re: World Pidgin Suffices) >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:47:59 +0200 > >At 18:59 20.6.2000 +0000, Oskar Gudlaugsson wrote: >>However... >>I refuse to go out of my way to write edh; the thing is, [D] is not a >>phoneme in Icelandic, but merely an allophone of /d/. > >Rather a case of neutralized opposition between /T/ and /d/, IMHO. The >Interesting thing is that there *is* a /v/ phoneme, but all of /v/f/b/ get >neutralized to [v] under like conditions as /T/d/ are neutralized to >[D]. The [Q] sound in words like da[g]ur is also a neutralization of /h/g/ >-- /h/ also has a [x] allophone in some peoples pronunciation of "hv".
Yeah, I should've thought of it... Verner's Law has [T] > [D]. So what do you call it when two phonemes, such as /T/ and /d/ in Icelandic, share an allophone, [D]? That happens in Irish Gaelic, where 'b' and 'm' become [w] (broad) or [vj] (slender) after lenition (they're written 'bh' and 'mh' in that case). It also happens with /d/ and /g/, which merge into [gamma] (broad) or [j] (slender) even though they are written 'dh' and 'gh'. You also have nasalization (eclipsis), where initials 'p' > 'bp' [b], 't' > 'dt' [d], 'c' > 'gc' [g], 'f' > 'bhf' = 'mh' and 'bh' (see above for phonetic value). Also 's' > 'sh' and 't' > 'th' = [h] in both cases, and 'f' > 'fh' = zero. (Oh how I love those mutating consonants!!) Daniel A. Wier ¶¦¬þ Lufkin, Texas USA http://communities.msn.com/DannysDoubleWideontheWeb ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com