Re: "Kitchen sink conlang" and other such terms

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:06 PM, David J. Peterson <dedalvs@...> wrote:
> Jeff:
> <<
> The term "kitchen sink conlang" (or KSC, not to be confused with KFC) seems
> to be used mainly on ZBB; it could have originated there. If so, the
> earliest
>>>
> I don't think so.  I knew the term before the ZBB existed, and
> I'm sure I heard it here.  Check out these messages from 2000:
> Jim Grossman:
> Item #27951 (27 Jun 2000 12:34) - help with starting out
> help you focus your efforts, and limit the temptation to throw absolutely
> everything including the kitchen sink into your grammar.
This first one is relevant; the other one refers to a case in
Romanian that covers a passel of disparate theta roles, not
a conlang with a passel of disparate features.

Searching archives.conlang.info for "kitchen sink"
turns up a number of uses of this term in one form
or another (mostly "kitchen sink language"
rather than "kitchen sink conlang" which was what I
searched for originally).  I haven't found any earlier
than 2000, but the archives only go back to 1998.

(John Cowan used to have most of the 1991-1998
archives on his web page, but they're gone now.  Does
anyone have them elsewhere?)

These messages seem particularly relevant in discussing
what is and isn't a kitchen sink conlang, one re: Ithkuil,
the other re Tech:

http://archives.conlang.info/qu/jhaulgia/zonqhialthuan.html

http://archives.conlang.info/fhae/woetu/koenfualfhuen.html

--
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/

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