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Re: Jovian's Verbs From Hell

From:Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@...>
Date:Friday, August 30, 2002, 13:13
 --- Christian Thalmann wrote:

> Alright, they're not that evil; certainly not as evil as Latin or > Maggel. ;-)
I agree with most of the others: I find nothing evil in Latin; on the contrary, it's a really nice toy-box for a conlanger. And Jovian is even less evil than Latin: it's clear, straightforward, and pretty. About the rest I agree with you: Maggel is definitely evil! :)
> More info on all tenses and passive voice (haven't written about the > moods yet) can be obtained on my homepage about the Jovian language: > >
I just did. Your first sentence reads: "This is an idea for a romlang (romance conlang (yeah, as if we didn't have enough of those already))". Well, I don't fully agree with that. Don't forget that the vast majority of those conlangs are IALs, Euroclones, etc., which fall into a completely different category. The object of the more "artistic" kind of romlang - the type we are dealing with here on this list - is to create a language that COULD have emerged, if history had been different. This is quite a special "genre" of conlangs, and there are not so many of them at all; I estimate their number somewhere between 20 and 30. And besides, there is always place for a good conlang. I have a question. Jovian has four cases: nominative, accusative, oblique, and genitive, but you never explain how they are used. Especially the oblique case evokes my curiosity. May I assume it is a merger of Latin dative and ablative? Especially your second person plural is funny in its behaviour: candare > candame/candaese haever > havime/havise faeger > faegim/faegis ere > sume/essi vajer > vaeme/vaesi I must admit that I never saw the endings of those two forms be so irregular! About the "look" of the language: I don't have the impression that it has been influenced too much by English, but in general it clearly shows (at least in my perception) some Germanic influence. I remember to have written earlier that it reminded me of Gothic, but now it seems to come closer to Old English. If I were to categorize Jovian, I would probably place it under the header "Germano-Romance" conlangs. I don't exactly remember your backstory. All I know is that it is spoken on Jupiter or on one of its moons, but I don't recall how they got there and if there is some Germanic or other substratum. Accidentally, does Jovian have numbers, too? :) Jan ===== "Originality is the art of concealing your source." - Franklin P. Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts


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