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Re: Jovian's Verbs From Hell

From:Christian Thalmann <cinga@...>
Date:Friday, August 30, 2002, 8:44
--- In conlang@y..., Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@F...> wrote:
> En réponse à Christian Thalmann <cinga@G...>:
> > I only had two years of Latin, at which level it was manageable, since > > we hadn't looked at more than two or three verb tenses. > > ?!!! After my first year of Latin we had already seen all tenses, moods and > voices of Latin verbs!!!
I presume that's because you were already speaking a Romance language with similar grammatical features as a native language... we had to learn a whole range of new grammatical concepts in Latin class because our German lessons hadn't taught them to us.
> They are not so difficult you know (actually they are > extremely simple in my point of view)/
In your romlang-native point of view, that is. =P
> The fact that they > are mostly isolating forms doesn't change the fact that in normal speech they > can get pretty easily mixed up (believe my experience of non-native speaker).
I'm a non-native speaker too, and I find the isolation helpful. The "strong verbs" are a difficulty, of course, but you have them in most romlangs too. At least in English you only have to recognize four forms of the verb (present, past, and the two participles)...
> Compared to that, the Latin forms are pretty recognizable, and easily analysed > anyway (for regular verbs of course ;)) . And look a little closely at the > Latin system: three tenses (past, present, future) mixed up with two aspects > (imperfect and perfect - the usual terminology is unclear, but you can see very > well the distribution by recognising that the present, "imperfect" and future > forms are based on one root, the imperfect root, while > the "perfect", "pluperfect" and future perfect are the same tenses but based on > the perfect root -)
If only it were that simple. The first person imperfect and future of |amâre| are |amâbam| and |amâbô|. But the pluperfect and future perfect forms are |amâverô| and |amâveram| -- just the other way round!
> three finite moods (indicative, subjunctive and > imperative - and subjunctive and imperative don't even allow all tense/aspect > combinations -)
Another difficulty is that the subjunctive present forms of one conjugation often look like the indicative forms of another conjugation. /=P More later, gotta catch my train. =P -- Christian Thalmann


Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>