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Re: verbs of eating

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Monday, February 2, 2004, 20:36
John Cowan wrote:
> While it's in another thread, I'll also mention that "sell" is a > four-place verb [in Lojban]: A sells B to C at price D. This also serves
for "buy"
> (C buys B from A at price D), "is the price of" (D is the price from A > of B for C), and "cost" (vb) (B costs (from A for B) C), with appropriate > particles or their equivalent prefixes. >
Those certainly capture the essential meanings of buy and sell; but can't D "price" in both cases be omitted if it's of no concern/irrelevant/unknown? That's why I don't feel "price" is a core argument of these verbs, any more than time ("yesterday") or place ("at an auction") is. Let's see, how about "trade, swap"-- that would need 1. the person trading "I" 2. the thing offered in trade "(my) car" 3. the person traded to "Bill" 4. the thing received in trade "(Bill's) motorcycle"-- another 4-place predicate, but #3 is easily omissible. Or maybe "trade" is more complex, since it involves both giving and receiving objects. (I have no idea how it would be specified in Fillmore's terms; I don't recall that he handled double objects (car/motorcycle) at all......)

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H. S. Teoh <hsteoh@...>
<jcowan@...>Lojban place structure (was: verbs of eating)
Philippe Caquant <herodote92@...>