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Re: THEORY: Case stacking; was: Re: THEORY: genitive vs. construct case/izafe

From:Markus Miekk-oja <m13kk0@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 12:51
I'd suspect partitives, if used in constructions like 'a wall of stone'
(wall-WHATEVER stone-PART-WHATEVER), and ablatives (the man-nom
Greenwich-from-nom) and generally any cases that are allowed to be used as
attributes of nouns are next in line to receive it, after genitives.
Languages like Kayardild case stack in rather insane ways, and can mark
every word in a subclause with the same case ("I heard that he is out of
town" -> I heard that-ACC he-ACC is-ACC out-ACC of-ACC town-ACC + the other
internal case endings there'd be there)...

Kayardild and similar langs generally tend to use cases for other things too
- like ablative for an aspect or whatnot.

BTW, Sorry Julia for double post :( ...
>From: "Julia \"Schnecki\" Simon" <helicula@...> >Reply-To: "Julia \"Schnecki\" Simon" <helicula@...> >To: CONLANG@listserv.brown.edu >Subject: Case stacking; was: Re: THEORY: genitive vs. construct case/izafe >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:49:12 +0300 > >Hello! > >On 7/23/05, tomhchappell <tomhchappell@...> wrote: > > Hello, Joerg, Henrik, Julia, and others. > > --- In conlang@yahoogroups.com, Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@W...> > > wrote: > > > Hallo! > > > > > > Henrik Theiling wrote: > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > Assume the whole phrase is in case X, then you get: > > > > > > > > Modifier-GEN Modified-X == Modifier-X Modified-CONSTR > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Exactly. But more precisely, it is the construct _state_, because > > > the modified noun can be, in languages with case systems such as > > > Classical Arabic, of any case. > > > > It seems to me that "This is a Job for Case-Stacking!" > > Are "genitive phrases" the most typical place to find case-stacking > > in languages that allow case-stacking? > >Quite possibly. The only natlang I know that has anything that could >be called "case stacking" is Sumerian, and all the case-stacking >examples I have (um, all the both of them; see below) involve at least >one genitive.
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