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Re: USAGE: USAGE north-west IE diffusion (Re: USAGE:Yet another few questions about ...

From:Joe <joe@...>
Date:Thursday, July 8, 2004, 14:29
Ray Brown wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 6, 2004, at 02:06 , Doug Dee wrote: > >> In a message dated 7/6/2004 3:32:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >> andjo@FREE. >> FR >> writes: >> >>> Exactly whom did the Ancients include in these terms [Celtae/Keltai]? >>> In particular, did they include the Gauls? >> >> >> Julius Caesar famously wrote that one of the three parts of Gaul was >> inhabited "by a people called in their own language Celtae, in the Latin >> Galli >> [Gauls]." [H.J. Edwards' translation] > > > I now have it :) > > Gallia est omnis diuisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, > aliam > Aquitani, tertiam, qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra appellantur. Hi > omnes > lingua, institutis, legibus inter se differunt. > > Gallos ab Aquitanis Garunna flumen, a Belgis Matrona et Sequana diuidit. > > Horum onmnium fortissimi sunt Belgae, propterea, quod a cultu atque > humanitate Prouinciae longissime absunt, minimeque ad eos mercatores > saepe > commeant atque ea, quae ad effeminandos animos pertinent, important, > proximique sunt Germanis, qui trans Rhenum incolunt, quibuscum > continenter > bellum gerunt. >
<snip> How about an Italo-Celtic dialect continuum? Is that at all possible? It doesn't seem too much of a stretch to me... We have Q-Celtic, P-Celtic, P-Italic, Q Italic. Now, since they were all originally 'Q', as it were, we can have the central Italo-Celtic dialects having the *kw>*p change dispersing throughout them, but the extreme ends of both are unaffected. On the other hand, a feature found only in the 'Celtic' dialects, have a *p>0 sound change. Those are just two features, but they give a general idea. Something like this: Q-Celto-Italic Found in Spain, Ireland, Latium - extremities, southern or northern. P-Celto-Italic Found in Gaul, Northern Italy - central area(also Britain, perhaps due to being colonised from Gaul, or being in close contact with it, something not found in Ireland, which was quite difficult to get to). P-lessness(Celtic characteristic) Found only in 'Celtic' areas - maybe originating further away from the Celto-Italic centre.

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