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Re: me again

From:JS Bangs <jaspax@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 22, 2002, 17:50
Thomas R. Wier sikyal:

> I thought so. It is not in fact unprecedented for what > are normally considered consonant clusters to be considered > unit phonemes (Georgian's so-called "harmonic clusters" like > /t_s'q_X'/ and /bd/ pattern this way), but they are *vanishingly* > rare. Such clusters apparently always agree in laryngeal > features, like voicing or glottalization. So, your /ps/ and > /ks/ pass the test, even if I doubt very much whether any > other conlang has them!
Think again. Hiksilipsi, my oft-revised tonal language, has /ps/ and /ks/ as unit phonemes, along with the nasal occlusives /mp/ and /Nk/. But there is no /ts/ or /nt/, as both of those have already been assimilated away. The analysis of these as single phonemes is motivated by the fact that Hiksilipsi allows no word-final consonants, which implies no consonants in coda positions--yet words such as /apsu/ are perfectly fine. The syllabification must therefore be /a.psu/. Looking at other words reveals that the set of allowable onset clusters is quite limited--in fact, restricted to just four phonetic clusters: [ps ks mp Nk]. The best analysis, then, and the one I support, is to regard these as unit phonemes, and to say that Hiksilipsi has a strict prohibition against onset clusters and coda consonants. Also, aren't the nasal occlusives [mb nd Ng] fairly common as unit phonemes? I believe that they occur in Kiswahili, where they even constrast with NC clusters, e.g. a hypothetical [a.mbu] could contrast with [am.bu]. Jesse S. Bangs jaspax@u.washington.edu "If you look at a thing nine hundred and ninety-nine times, you are perfectly safe; if you look at it the thousandth time, you are in frightful danger of seeing it for the first time." --G.K. Chesterton

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