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9-phoneme IAL (was Re: Chinese-based IAL?)

From:Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg.rhiemeier@...>
Date:Saturday, February 24, 2001, 0:27
Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...> writes:

[problems with Chinese roots in 9-phoneme IAL]

> A 9-phoneme lang! That's a bit extreme ...
Yes, it is, it was inspired by last year's discussion of such systems, and is an attempt to build a "minimal consensus" phonology. It is also inspired by Pitakosilano (the same 9 phonemes with one exception: I have /u/ where Pitakosilano has /o/).
> Now what ARE these 9 phonemes? > Seeing that you've got 21 possible syllables, I'd say you've got three > vowels, six consonants and uses (C)V syllables. Dare I guess that the vowels > are /a i u/? Hmm, what consonants? /k/ and /t/ seems likely, as do /m/ and > /n/, perhaps /s/ and /l/ too? How many rights did I get?
Very close. The vowels are guessed correctly; the consonants are correct save one: they are /p t k s n l/, though I now tend to represent the stops as voiced: /b d g s n l/. Syllable structure is indeed (C)V. This is not meant to be a serial auxlang proposal, rather my personal indulgement with IAL design goals. For fun, I have tried to squeeze some conlang names into the 9-phoneme system in order to try out how well they are recognizable. They are: Piritiniki (or Pirisiniki) Paraanaka Ini Linia Nulilini Silinaniki Sipilakisi Tiliki Tiunakata Tukana (not very difficult to guess, I think) Uatakasi (also easy) Who can guess them? (They are all from list members.) Hint: these are the names of the authors, in the sequence of the langs: Anatulu Sinisi Supu Iti Nikulu Pilini Tanaili Anatalasunu Iluku Linaila Iluku Linaila Iunu A Li (not very hard to guess, I think) Nalakusu Sinisi Sali Kipisi Natiu Pilisunu Niki Tiluru
> PS if anybody wonders how I landed on the 3-vowel, 6-consonants, it's very > simple: 21 factorizes as 3*7. That means that there's only two "slots" in > syllable, which points strongly towards a CV syllable structure, and as > 3+7=10, one of these slots can be empty, almost certainly consonant slot.
> Three vowels and six consonants seems alot more likely than seven vowels and > two consonants.
Hey, that'd be cool! Of course, those two consonant phonemes could have quite a number of allophones conditioned by the adjacent vowels.
> The actual sounds I suggested are mere guesses of course > (tho' I've guessed on common sounds of course).
Yes, and they were good guesses, missing only one. Jörg.


daniel andreasson <daniel.andreasson@...>