Re: [wEr\ Ar\ ju: fr6m] ? Am I right??

--- Tristan Alexander McLeay <anstouh@...>
wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, SuomenkieliMaa wrote:
> > --- Tristan Alexander McLeay
> <anstouh@...>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, SuomenkieliMaa wrote:
> > > > Originally from
> > > > City: Struthers [s_tra:T\Erz]
> > >
> > > What's the _ and T\ (or is it \E) supposed to
> > > represent?
> >
> > Not sure, actually.  I just copied that yen symbol
> > from the other guy who wrote it, guessing it would
> be
> > the equivalent of a sound similar to in this word.
> > Ok, so how would you indicate Sally Struthers'
> last
> > name?
> I'd say [str\AD@z], but I'm Aussie. And it
> shouldn't've been a yen symbol.
> It seems that something at your end is taking the
> text and interpreting it
> as encoded or something, ruining it in the process
> and confusing the hell
> out of you.
Oh my!!  First off, you are Aussie so I must apologize
as I somehow thought you to be American  :-L .
Secondly, thanks for SS's name - I suppose the only
difference between your rendition and mine should be
the final r.  Ok, so when does one use _ ?  And how is
[D] from [T]?  Also, I still that damn yen symbol
before [A] but I'm clueless as to what it is.

> > > > Now I live in
> > > > Ward: Suginami [sugi:nami]
> > >
> > > Wouldn't that be [suginami]?
> >
> > Perhaps, though I have a feeling the i is
> lengthened a
> > bit.
>
> Could be. My word isn't law.
Nor is mine! :-)

> > Understandable, but remember that I'm American
> from
> > the Mid-west so my pronunciation may very well
> > resemble (if not be the same) to yours.  Seeing
> your
> > notation, I think you're right.  BUT I'm now
> confused
> > about [8] vs [O] vs [o]...
>
> [8] is a rounded central mid-close vowel, sounding a
> bit like a rounded
> schwa. It looks like an 'o' with a bar through the
> middle. [o] is a
> rounded back mid-close vowel. To me it sounds
> something like [Q], but
> that's just because the closest diphthong I have to
> [ou], the GA version
> of my [8u], is [Qu], which is an allophone of [8u]
> before /l/. It looks
> like an 'o', surprisingly enough. [O] is a rounded
> back mid-open vowel. It
> looks like a back-to-front 'c'.
Ooo, now I've got to think about this explanation.
You mean to say that [8] is like the Scandinavian
o/slash?  I believe Christophe mentioned once that it
is [2]... though I could be mistaken!  What is GA
version?

> > Oh geez, what is [{:] ?  If it is like the a of
> Anne,
> > then what is [A] supposed to be??  In Japanese,
> the
> > country is named Nihon (although a more patriotic,
> > antiquated form is Nippon).
>
> [{] is an a-e ligature, right; the vowel of Anne.
> [A] is an unrounded back
> open vowel, a 'script "a"'. Generally the vowel in
> 'father' (there are
> exceptions to this, though).
Aha, so [{] as in Anne's a.  [A] represents father's
a.  So, what about [a]??

Sorry for the game of 20 questions!
Matt33



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