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Re: Chris, Chris and Chris

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 18, 2001, 13:20
En réponse à Christopher B Wright <faceloran@...>:

> > Then why did His followers die for their beliefs? (Puzzled frown.) > People > don't die for what they know to be a lie.
I see that happening every day on the news... And if you're not convinced, look at some of the collective suicides that happened in Europe a few years ago. Some of the gurus died there too, although they knew very well what they were talking about were lies. Sometimes, people are so much used to tell lies that they begin to believe in them themselves.
> > The Gospels were written within (about) forty years of Jesus' death > (which is a matter of Roman record) by those who saw what happened.
Do we have any of their first texts? No. What we have are copies of copies of copies of copies of... done by people who weren't present, with in between at least two translations made by people who had only a limited knowledge of the language they were translating from. If we learn one thing from the translation relays, it's that the meaning of a text can be vastly changed by such treatment, even by only copying (after all, before the invention of printing, there has been about 15 centuries of hand copying, that's a little much to pretend that the text came to us absolutely unchanged).
> Either they wrote the truth, or they got together and wrote a bunch of > lies and then died to defend those lies. (Many things in the Gospels > are > shared between them.) >
So what? We have no idea what they really wrote together. Who says that it's not the copists who modified the texts they were copying to bring them more together? It was usual by those times to modify texts that you were copying. Christophe. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.

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