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CHAT: English succession (was: kinship terms (Henaudute))

From:Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>
Date:Saturday, December 15, 2001, 7:49
> Anton Sherwood <bronto@...> wrote: > > Perhaps in that culture the sons inherit in order of > > birth but if there are no sons the daughters divide > > the inheritance (as is true of English baronies-by-writ; > > this rule is also reflected in the courtesy titles of > > earls' children).
Cheng Zhong Su wrote:
> Do you mean daughters divide the inheritance in equal? > But the Queen has a sister, how they divided the > throne?
I didn't say the rule extends to inheritance in general. But if the Throne were a barony-by-writ, it would pass into abeyance until all branches but one die out, or the Crown calls the title out of abeyance by settling it on one person. The resulting heir need not be senior. When Lord Darcy de Knayth & Conyers died in 1888, his two baronies went into abeyance, which was quickly resolved so that each of his daughters got one. (Fox-Davies, The Art of Heraldry, caption to Fig.936 - i knew it was in there somewhere!) A number of British ceremonial offices are hereditary, and some of those are in abeyance; the various claimants rotate with each reign. So if the Throne were considered to be in abeyance, the succession might go like this: Elizabeth Margaret Charles David (Linley) William ... Meanwhile, your idea of dividing the throne reminds me of an idea I had in 1986 when Andrew was made duke of York. Since Tudor times that title has been created about ten times, but none of its holders has managed to pass it on: each either died without sons or became king himself, and in either case the title died. I thought, does this mean Andrew will be king, and how can that happen (given that Charles has two children)? Well, Scotland could become independent, and Charles could abdicate his English rights, to become king of Scotland. Combine that with the abeyance idea, and there's a constitutional crisis a few generations down the road. (Hm, I haven't read much if any alternate history fiction set in the future!) There are now three rotating claims, but do they go Margaret-Beatrice-Eugenie or M-B-M-E ? I have much in common with Andrew, by the way: we're the same age and we each reside with a red-haired ex-wife, in a house bought with mother's money. (No wee lassies here, though.) -- Anton Sherwood --