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Re: ?: Greek vowel systems (was Re: Tolkien & front rounded vowels

From:Anthony M. Miles <theophilus88@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 2, 2002, 19:05
>From: Muke Tever <alrivera@...> >Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <CONLANG@...> >To: CONLANG@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU >Subject: Re: ?: Greek vowel systems (was Re: Tolkien & front rounded vowels >Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:08:43 -0500 > > >===== Original Message From Constructed Languages List > >>I was thinking OI could've been [ø:] (o-slash), or another diphthong >[øy], >at > >>some time, then went to [y]. And could AI have been [E:] or [æ:] (ash) >as > >>well? > > > >All possible - we just don't know the details. Indeed, Ionian eta could > >well have been [æ:] rather than [E:] if one recalls that early [a:] >become > >eta in Ionoan and, generally, Attic Greek. On the coastal belt of > >south-east Wales (where I spent 22 years of my like) RP [A:] is [æ:], so > >the Anglophone native of Cardiff call their city ["k_h æ:dIf] :) > >Hehe.. this is exactly why the character hellenized as <H> and romanized as ><ee> in Henaudute is pronounced /{:/. (And there's a similar reason for ><z> >being /dZ/...) > > *Muke! >-- >
A book that might be of service to this discussion is _The Greek Dialects_, by Carl Darling Buck. It's a standard work on the subject. Here's what Buck has to say about the Boeotian vowel system (p. 153): "The most strking snd obvious characteristic of Boeotian lies in its vowel-system. One peculiarity consists merely in the retention of /u/ as u. But even this led to a change in spelling to /ou/, while on the other had the /u/ with its Attic value of [y] as a basis was used to indicate approximately the sound, probably [2], which the diphthong /oi/ had come to have." theophilus/deoamatus/lauindlagya'lpha'lkhe/ziwaaha~mas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at