Re: USAGE: How to tell syllables apart (was: Announcement: New auxlang "Choton")

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:21:59 -0000, caeruleancentaur
<caeruleancentaur@...> wrote:

>Did I miss something?  It seems I read in recent messages:
>1) "ss" if in different syllables, "ß" if in the same syllable.
>2) How do you tell if there are two different syllables?
>3) If it's "ss," then there are two different syllables, if "ß," then
>they are in the same syllable.
No, that's not true. The rules of orthographic syllable division can't apply
until you have chosen whether to have |ss| or |ß|.

The old rules were:

(a) Pronunciation rule: |ß| after long vowels/diphthongs (as in the new rules).

(b) Position rule: |ß| before word end, before word gap (in composita), or
before consonant (within a single word).

The second rule has been abandoned, that means, there were two rules, but
there's only one left.

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:46:21 -0400, I. K. Peylough <ikpeylough@...> wrote:

>The really weird thing is that the "after" method is what I was taught in
>German class 30+ years ago! (along with rhotic R's, the genitive case,
>etc.)
The "after" method was in use 30+ years ago (see above rule (a)), but it
wasn't the only rule (see above rule (b)).

"Rhotic" /r/ are still in use in varieties of standard German (e.g. in
Bernese Swiss standard German). So is the genitive case (after all in higher
levels of style; but the possessive genitive is widely used).

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<how these question arose>

Me wrote:
>The rules for the usage of the |ß|,
>BTW, have been simplified in the spelling reform.
Pascal A. Kramm replied:
>Nope, the exact opposite is true.
>Before: ss if the two s fall into different syllables (Mes-ser),
>else ß.
Joe asked:
>Tell me, how do you tell that the two are in different syllables?
Me explained:
>In Switzerland, we have: |heis-sen|, whereas in Germany/Austria/etc.
>they have |hei-ßen|. That means that you can't decide whether to have an
>|ß| based on syllable division. The old rules were more complicated.
</how these question arose>

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PD: I'm sorry that I still keep messing up the thread titles...

gry@s:
j. 'mach' wust