Re: new Unnamed Conlang
|From:||Tamas Racsko <tracsko@...>|
|Date:||Saturday, September 18, 2004, 11:39|
On 17 Sep 2004 Andreas Johansson <andjo@FRE...> wrote:
> > kh (like "KHaan" in Mongolian)
> Mongolian might be a poor example, since very few people speak it.
I do not know Rodlox's intention but Khalkha |(k)h| is pronounced as [X]
before back vowels, not [x] (|(k)haan| = [XQ:N]). Is there a better known
language with this sound?
> > > > jy (like "DJoser" in Ancient Egyptian)
> > > [...]
> > ýn X-Sampa - J\
> Ah. Would I then be right in assuming that 'sy' and 'zy' denote,
> respectively, a voiceless and a voiced palatal fricative?
In a description about Ancient Egyptian, the above AE sound is described
as a palatal _affricate_, i.e. it is rather [J\j\] than simple stop [J\].
However if we consider that this sound was developed in Hungarian from a
previous alveolopalatal [dz\], and the present Serbo-Croatian dialects
varies between [dz\] ~ [J\j\] in pronouncing letter |dj|, may be Rodlox's
|jy| could be realized as [dz\].
In this case |y| could be treated as a diacritic for alveolopalatals and
this could make sense of "Eastern European" |sy| and |zy| as [s\] and [z\]
respectively. (These sounds are used in Polish.)
In another approximation |y| could stand for palatalization, therefore
|jy| could be [d'Z'], |sy| [s'] and [zy] [z']. This also can be interpreted
as an "Eastern European" feature exsiting in Eastern Slavic languages, in
> a voiceless and a voiced palatal fricative? (I'm still curious to hear
> what Eastern European language uses them - I thought I had a decent grasp
> of the various Latin orthographies of EE.)
In Hungarian [C] and [j\] are allophones of |j| at the end of the words
after consonants, e.g. |kapj| [kOpC] 'get!', |dobj| [dobj\] 'throw!'.
Moreover [C] is an allophone of /h/ (spellt as |h| or |ch|) in
intervocalic, pre-consonantal (and sometimes final) positions if the
adjacent vowel is front, e.g. |ihlet| [iClEt] 'inspiration', |pech| [peC:]
In addition, [C] is a frequent allophone of /x/ in other languages of