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Re: more English orthography

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 17, 2000, 4:17
Marcus Smith wrote:
> But [@] is an allophone of all the lax vowels, so I don't see what this is > supposed to prove. Also, in my dialect there are times when unstressed [V] > resists changing to [@]. My first phonology professor said that wasn't > unusual.
Well, that may be true in your dialect, but I did specify "in my dialect", [@] and [V] are in complimentary distribution, and they are phonetically similar, that's the definition of allophone I learned. Yes, all lax vowels can become /@/, but isn't that simply phonemic neutralization, as in the German phenomenon of voiced consonants devoicing word-finally?
> Interesting. I've never heard of this before.
Yeah, I only recently discovered it in my speech.
> Of course. But this would be guidance from orthography
But weren't we talking about English orthography?
> That basic point still stands, that I don't see how we could find an > underlying > pronunciation for the schwa in "comma." It may be best to consider it a > phoneme. I just don't know how to test that.
Of course schwa is a phoneme, I don't think anyone's said it wasn't. I merely stated that IN MY DIALECT, [@] and [V] are allophones, [V] used in stressed syllables, [@] in unstressed. -- "If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore, and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God!" - Ralph Waldo Emerson "Glassín wafilái pigasyúv táv pifyániivav nadusakyáavav sussyáiyatantu wawailáv ku suslawayástantu ku usfunufilpyasváditanva wafpatilikániv wafluwáiv suttakíi wakinakatáli tiDikáufli!" - nLáf mÁldu nÍmasun ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTailor