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Re: OT: Corpses, etc. (was: Re: Gender in conlangs (was: Re: Umlauts (was Re: Elves and Ill Bethisad)))

From:Isidora Zamora <isidora@...>
Date:Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 20:24
> > I can verify that Danish definitely doesn't do anything of the sort. I > > thought that using plural adjectives to agree with singular definate nouns > > (which I can see from your example below is also done in Swedish) was kinda > > strange, but using both markers for definiteness might beat that for > > strangeness, or perhaps not - it's no worse than what you have to go > > through in French to negate something. > >You think of it as a pl adjective? Sure it could be by form, but I would never >think of it like that.
"Plural" was really the only reference frame that I had for it, since the forms matched. Or it might have been that someone actually taught it to me in a way that made me think of it as a plural adjective. It's been over thirteen years since I learned adjective agreement in Danish, so I don't remember. I'm not certain whether I do or don't really think of it a a plural adjective. I certainly did when I first learned it. I also certainly know that I need to tack an -e onto the end of any adjective in a definite noun phrase, and I do it by reflex without thinking too much about it when I'm actually doing it.
>Perhaps I can convince you of the faultcy of your analysis by pointing out >that while you indeed get the same form of the adj in _den stora bilen_ "the >big car" and _de stora bilarna_ "the big cars", you don't in _den store >mannen_ "the big man" and _de stora männen_ "the big men"?
In Danish (someone correct me if I'm wrong) it's "den store bil" and "de store biler" and also "den store mand" and "de store mænd." If I had learned Swedish instead of Danish, perhaps I would have perceived it differently than as a plural adjective. Why is it "stora" instead of "store" in the latter case but not the former? I don't recognize the form ending in -a; Danish doesn't have that one. Isidora


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Isidora Zamora <isidora@...>