Re: CHAT: t-shirt

At 1:14 pm -0400 23/9/00, Yoon Ha Lee wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Raymond Brown wrote:
[....]
>> I understood that Fabian (I think that was the original proposer's name)
>> wanted to included the 'classic' conlangs that many in the non-conlanging
>> world might have heard about or come across, i.e. Esperanto, Tolkien's
>> Quenya & Sindarin, and Klingon.  But, of course, the proposed inclusion of
>> Esperanto was, alas, bound to inflame auxlangers!  Sad.
>
><puzzled look>  I'm not sure how including Esperanto would anger
>auxlangers,
....because _their_ favored auxlang is, in their opinion, far better and
Esperanto is, according to them, a nasty worthless rival.

>but then, I don't follow the auxlang scene.
Very wise IMHO.  Regretfully, the auxlang scene is marred by the sort of
blind bigotry found among certain religious zealots.  To venture, as I once
did, into Auxland is to wonder into a minefield.  I'm sure there are
decent, moderate & reasonable people in Auxland, but as so often in this
world the bigots shout the loudest.

[....]
>> invented/devised by list members.  Personally, I think it sad we can't
>> include the "classics" - and even sadder that we shan't then, as was
>> originally intended, have Quenya written in Tengwar & SolReSol in _music
>> notation_ on the shirt.  <deep sigh>
>
>A pity--I wouldn't mind seeing Quenya and SolReSol (have heard of but
>never seen the latter).  :-(
I agree.

Actually, most auxlangers would probably tolerate SolReSol, even tho that
was intended as an auxlang & achieved moderate success in its day, since
they no longer regard it as a serious rival.

But if we do include the conlang 'classics' that are known to the
non-conlanging world, then logically Esperanto has to be included.

There seem to me two possibilities:
(A) We quickly agree on which 'conlang classics' to include besides our own
conlangs, close that list (i.e. no more argument) and politely tell any
whinging auxlanger that this is a CONLANG T-SHIRT, *not* an auxlang T-Shirt
- which, of course, they are quite free to design themselves.
(B) We avoid the who damn auxlang issue by having only the conlangs
devised/invented/modelled by members of this list.

Ray.


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