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Re: Your Help Appreciated

From:DOUGLAS KOLLER <laokou@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 10, 2000, 1:43
From: "Nik Taylor"

> > The <dd> in "ladder" or the <tt> in "butter" are pronounced > > as alveolar flaps in rapid speech, in many (most?) English > > dialects, so this might help you. > > But the Japanese "r" is a *retroflex lateral flap*, IIRC. Really tough > to say. But I can't get "ry" either, and it's really hard for me to > make any kind of flap at the beginning of a word (which is why I like > the Spanish pronunciation of initial "r" as "rr").
Retroflex? That does sound tough. I don't remember having difficulty with these sounds (ryuu, ryo -- no problem), but I didn't treat them as retroflex.. For me, the Japanese "r" is further forward in the mouth than the Spanish (actually, that was an initial difficulty, breaking away from the Spanish idea). Kou