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Re: Your Help Appreciated

From:Carlos Thompson <chlewey@...>
Date:Sunday, May 7, 2000, 18:57
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From: "John Mietus" <sirchuck@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 12:58 PM
Subject: Your Help Appreciated

> Before I make my rather grandiose request to you good people, I just want
> say that I¹ve been lurking for about a month now, and not only have I > learned a lot about the hobby, I¹ve been more than impressed by the
> and generosity of the members of this list. > > Now, having said that, as a rank amateur in this hobby, I throw myself on > the mercy of this list for assistance. I¹ve developed a proto-root
> (Palaged) with the following phonetics: > > My consonants, in order of frequency, are: > /r/, /n/, /l/, /s/, /d/, /t/, /k/, /m/, /th/, /v/, /g/, /dh/, /p/, /f/, > /sh/, /b/, /j/, /w/, /z/, /ch/, /h/, /zh/, /wh/, /rh/, /kw/, /kh/, /gw/, > /kth/, /vh/, /ng/ > > ...where /r/ is trilled and /rh/ is not, and /vh/ is a non-dental /v/ (it > could also be classified as a non-labial /m/).
Just a little nitpick in conventions. What does consonants like /kth/ mean? Slanted brackets (slashes) are used to give phonetic descriptions, then /kth/ would mean the phonemes /k/, /t/ and /h/ (a pretty interesting cluster IMO), or does /th/ mean english <th> sound? (note: angle brackets for orthographic conventions). In most ASCII-IPA encodings, english voiceless <th> is noted as /T/, or does /th/ mean aspirated /t/ (/t_h/)? In other words. Are above description phonetic or orthographic? Are descriptions as /kth/ consonant clusters? Well. non-dental /v/ or non-labial /m/... I can't be sure what they mean. Probably a non-nasal /m/. I could thing about /B/ sound: voiced labial fricative, as intervocalic <b> in Spanish or beta in greek.
> The vowels, again, in order of frequency, are: > /e/, /a/, /o/, /E/, /&/, /I/, /i/, /u-/, /U/, /u/
Is /u-/ IPA barred u (high central rounded)?
> Allowed dypthongs: > /Eo/, /aI/, /Io/, /IE/, /Ie/, /Ia/, /IU/, /Iu-/, /Ea/, /Eu-/
[...] -- Carlos Th