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CHAT: gender of conlangers (was FW: Lunatic Lovers ofLanguage )

From:Pablo Flores <fflores@...>
Date:Saturday, September 26, 1998, 18:53
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Baba wrote:
>--- On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:20:40 -0300 Pablo Flores ><fflores@...> wrote: >> >>1. "Women are better with language, men are better with =
spatial/physical
>>structures" is not a cliche. As for language, the brain structures in =
women
>>and men are remarkably different. At least that's what scientists say. =
I
>>don't know if there's also been any research about the spatial =
capabilities
>>of men and women, but empirical tests do show a difference. Now, =
whether
>>that is natural or cultural, it's impossible to know so far. > >>From my work as a therapist "Brain Sex" is perhaps the most commonly >misunderstood aspect of modern neurology. > >What the studies have actually shown is that a person with a large "X" >area in their brain will be adept at skill "Y". On the whole *most* >people with a large "X" area will belong to a particular gender, =
however
>what the studies have shown beyond any doubt is that a large "X" area >is not *exclusive* to that gender, only *uncommon* in the other one.
Let me say something about this and then I'll just shut up about this = subject. First, you are absolutely right about the "Brain Sex" studies -- but I'm = not wrong, I just used wrong expressions! Secondly, you and Laurie, who has also posted about this, seem to be = convinced that I want (consciously or unconsciously) to enclose women in = a box and paste a lot of sexist labels on it, because I'm a man. And = that's sexist too! If you want to correct my mistakes (that I have, and = a lot of them probably), please do so without irony. It's terrible when = someone thinks you're a certain kind of person and there's no way to = show them that's not the case. For the record: I hate male chauvinism, I = think it's been terrible on women and has discredited men, and it even = bothers me when I have to make a general statement in a language with = compulsory gender distinction.
>The truth is that a persons' "Brain Sex" is likely to be mixed and few, =
if
>any folk, have a 100% "male" or "female" brain. Thus, when it comes to >excellent language skills, all CONLANGERS probably have "female" brains =
:-). Finally, and off-topic (just for the logic-rhetorics side of it): If you = want to make a point about the nonsense implied in "brain sex", you = shouldn't use such expressions as "female brain" -- even in quotes. --Pablo Flores ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDE968.B9E057C0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhgTAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ADwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAFIAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABDb25zdHJ1Y3RlZCBMYW5ndWFnZXMgTGlzdABTTVRQAENPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05WTS5C Uk9XTi5FRFUAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAGgAAAENPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05W TS5CUk9XTi5FRFUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAdAAAAJ0NvbnN0cnVjdGVkIExh bmd1YWdlcyBMaXN0JwAAAAACAQswAQAAAB8AAABTTVRQOkNPTkxBTkdAQlJPV05WTS5CUk9XTi5F RFUAAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAADkzkBCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9z b2Z0IE1haWwuTm90ZQAxCAEEgAEARAAAAFJFOiBDSEFUOiBnZW5kZXIgb2YgY29ubGFuZ2VycyAo d2FzIEZXOiBMdW5hdGljIExvdmVycyBvZkxhbmd1YWdlICkAmBYBBYADAA4AAADOBwkAGgAPADUA IAAGAGIBASCAAwAOAAAAzgcJABoADwA1ACAABgBiAQEJgAEAIQAAADZBQkJFMDM1NTQ1NUQyMTE5 QzI5NDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAwAMwGAQOQBgAYCQAAEgAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMA NgAAAAAAQAA5AIB46vR+6b0BHgBwAAEAAABEAAAAUkU6IENIQVQ6IGdlbmRlciBvZiBjb25sYW5n ZXJzICh3YXMgRlc6IEx1bmF0aWMgTG92ZXJzIG9mTGFuZ3VhZ2UgKQACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABvel+ 9Nk14LttVVQR0pwpREVTVAAAAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAGwAAAGZmbG9y ZXNAdGF1LndhbWFuaS5hcGMub3JnAAADAAYQbkjLrAMABxBCBwAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAAQkFCQVdS T1RFOi0tLU9ORlJJLDI1U0VQMTk5ODE0OjIwOjQwLTAzMDBQQUJMT0ZMT1JFUzxGRkxPUkVTQFRB VVdBTUFOSUFQQ09SR1dST1RFOjEiV09NRU5BUkVCRVRURVJXSQAAAAACAQkQAQAAAGoHAABmBwAA fA4AAExaRnXhC15s/wAKAQ8CFQKkA+QF6wKDAFATA1QCAGNoCsBzZXRuMgYABsMCgzIERgIAcHBy cTEgCFUHsgKDM4cDxRODEiJzdGVtAoD+fQqACM8J2QKACoENsQtgwG5nMTAzNAr7EvGrC/IToG8W EGMFQEIBoIJhGaoxOCAgdxqinjoZrxq0Co8dByA+HL+lGrQtIVAgTwOgRgUQECwgMjUGUXAgMUQ5 ORwgMTQ6AdA6KjQfsC0ZIDAfsCBQ/wGgFtAhsBbRB5AeJxt7H98NGqU8DdAkQ0BUQVUALldBTUFO SS4AQVBDLk9SRz7vHEUknyWvGlo+Ka8qvyvLYDEuICJXA3AJ8CDxCsBlIGISABYQBcAD8Ah0aCAY 0nVhZ2VXIfAv7zDxcx5QdAcxL+RwaBXwaWMHQCyfLa9zK8sWAHJ1GuAIcAeQIjIgBAAgbhqwMfAg Y9JsM8BoZS+QQQQgAhDvBcAxKDDwMEFyC3Ey8DcH+zegA6B3L9I0DzUfK8sAcE5kMbcXQADAcmsj 4Xm0IGQGkGYEkAnwdDihcQVAbGVhFgA5wTMgJ+0EIHdBUTLwYwiQAjAEAKJ0BCBzYXkvkEk7r6s8 vyvLZAIgJwVAazfgvwfgBpA5whdAQYEHQHMkELswYDHSbj/gJGFA8HIRsHsx8AbgdUEiMEAzBTgw Yf0eUGIDEDDgCJAkj0QfK7y+b0bAMcM+oTtTIfBiSQH5FiBwaQUQM9E5wAeQQoG7RgAy8GhGgTgg QAZjOJH+TkaAIfBBsBIARvFKv0vPfyvLQUI3ozMgCHBJwQWxY3x1bFWzIfAw4EGBB3Bw2m8EEGkC YDBAdCQQRmP1R4FmCsAuUi9TPx1vWS//Wj8sFiHAA3AxsD/gO1A/kL8x8EdBRtNKAEJhL6BCOiO1 BmB4N5NwBJARwHAEIK850gRgQREFoG0EYG4/0Ndbv1zPGlptBAB1PqAEkP0WAG8EcF9hYVAa4U2i BHTsbmUIcBbBZ0LQYu9j/+9a/2ivab8apVdBwkkzN0D3QAAHkRHAdjBAANA3QAdA/z/RUDIDoDex VRM4IGFRR4BvOzEw4jggC2ByMYAvoFj+Ims/bE8aWjAhOCA6QTnR/08wOgUD8G/AMFEx8A2wBTHF QdJrdqIiWSIvkCGRrznSQbAG8DBAKmISKnJ/93OPGlphUG8LUHihcY11RP92lRbQGPBX0nDhCsAz MFZB3wrBMYBmAiHwUEFlb0BSH796jxpLQbNub3AEMGB5AiDnZoFIEUYAdWJVQ3CVfUxvgO+B/xpa N7UqYOA4QHX7AJBvQCpX0lUTf/ZionkQ/2XwYmSMAHWkVgBG4o0ROJDfiB8fgx4ljz8b80wSADGx /0KiWFEHgDDwC4B+0EjWN7GnPpI50QOgSSd2sWqLsHVB4WhJAXUiYJO5ZeBi7moa0Y8mHiVGTzAW ACHw/YWgdTHzAaBHgApAFhA/0fkFEGdoOAFI52BqbqYhYX9OwpTwXtA34hxRGPAh8EnflTSLsAmA nORO8HgToAeQ8wCQAiBzIZCcBmAFoD6g5z/QmHU+oUxhCHJRkiQQ/xHAR0VXURYQZoGTxyHwEfDv FiBX0nbhoEF2C4BRIJSC20HRnWB3AHAFQCigQUIBvQhgcz/RBbGNgqYHKVfSf1EBFtAR8DtEOxI4 IAbgeH9OAx5QFgFxsjfxTaER8Hj/YCILYH6BBCBxQTDgTqEFkP+hUKhBnHI4IAOBOKGUc0Fj+6qV ZlEhQvBGwJiSpYNX4b8FoRdAZZI/4GXBAZBrB5H+KKUVbyIh8D6Sqgc50V7Q9xqRGzA/wSkh8HyR QQAwQP9QAiQQMNJI8k8wAiBC0kFy/zCRBRBXolGxOlEv0Y7xlALsbmsEIJiRJ5jiODAEkP8BkDpB d7A+oU2hcQWUZUcT/zfgpXE/4FfhUDOyY0FFN+LvOdIz0BHwL5BGBbE50q+h+QWwZDqxA6nRAMBX sRGx9nWkoQQAbZ1CttNW1Eez/7V3cUIv1D6hogJAAATxCYD/MOCd8U5zPpIw4E7wb0CFYf+OkwQg kqG2A7EUV9IAwLBw/zgRf/Ff4QMgsEEWEUBhqMS3MSYwxGJhcFZQR4ByP+D/f/TBwjMwURAzMAIg jy+QP/eRT4lvGpZUOeE3ATDxcG78cydgXjhQsHA/0aQUZcD+eKLSPqFAMFGBBpDLv8zP53SbSBEC EGxrgFFvMyJwvSOQJS+gvgI3kAWxIkAw/9eEOhMvkM6Qi7BRk6uCYlL/B5FX4NM/1E8aWotxfpBA 4D+loccnd6OjkW+xE+BPTuJMKHBHRVIF8LK2bxTj2BwEIDotKcnfyusbXZ+YIFWQb8GxdE2gZi1X 4P1PIGOlwJVDOPI50mgBM8C+LWFwEgAFsDPAQpFpDbD7ZwIw4Cm9ca6cxUVXUAuA/5oKN+AAgAnw qEFXMThQnfF9OkEiOhVg4Zh0UDFWUGT/RiKsImXgSKGeiV9i2BU6BE83kCFhw1M6QXF1GrFzv5c9 HiUhUCPfBcAWYQD0sAAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAEAABzDgyD01fOm9AUAACDCAeOr0fum9AR4A PQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAArEQ= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDE968.B9E057C0--