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Re: Irregularity in human languages (was Re: irregular conlangs)

From:CARLOS THOMPSON <carlos_thompson@...>
Date:Monday, October 4, 1999, 2:19
Nik Taylor wrote:

>Carlos Thompson wrote: >> Most irregularities are either sound changes (like {e} -> {ie}) > >Some consider those to be a regular subclass of verbs, and indeed, if >you look at BOTH infinitive AND third person singular present >indicative, most of those are predictable. > >> while a phonetic change are those you can predict in present >> language). > >Then they aren't irregular verbs at all, if predictable, like >-Vcer/-Vcir changing c to zc before o or a.
I wouldn't count them as irregular either but they are so written in a table of irregular verbs.
>> Of those, probably _andar_ is the most tricky and the one most >> people treat as regular, not because is not a children verb, but >> because the full paradigm is rare among children is my guess. > >Why would children not use _anduve_, etc. much?
Dunno. Probably because _caminar_ is more used for _to walk_ while _andar_ has become the supletory form of _ir_ for the imperative in vos dialects. The other meaning of _andar_ as auxiliary fits better for the imperfect in past tense.
>> Most of those changes >> are phonetic, like _poner_ -> _pongo_. > >-go verbs aren't predictable, are they? You said that "phonetic >change" is predictable.
Yes. I should've say "sound change".
>> Actually, the English counterparts are irregular as well. > >Well, "walk" isn't irregular, but yeah, the point's mostly valid.
-- Carlos Th