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Re: Unilang: the Lexicon

From:Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 24, 2001, 5:44
At 11:44 am -0400 23/4/01, Oskar Gudlaugsson wrote:
[snip]
> >With my current design criteria, Unilang will either be completely without >flavor, or very spicy :) The question is, will a balance of features make >for something very bland, or something special?
As a keen cook, I like the metaphore :) No - don't make it very bland. Who wants to eat bland food? On the other hand, very spicy food is an acquired taste [I've acquired it - my wife hasn't]. IMO one needs to add a bit of spiciness to make it appetizing.
>I may need to take special >action to add to the distinctiveness, though anything drastic would be >contrary to all the other criteria.
Absolutely - just like in cooking. The spiciness needs to be subtle - overdo it, and the whole thing gets spoilt.
>--- > >However, I'm not sure if I'm actually making this language in full. One of >my initial premises are that Unilang cannot be created by the perspective >of only one man. By drawing on the council of this list, I am of course >trying to widen that perspective.
Precisely what I've done over the years with my 'briefscript' project. But in my case, I make the final decisions. But the group discussions have been very informative & helpful.
>Well, I'll just continue working out my >thoughts on the matter, and if I'm still itching to go on, I might make up >some words and other details;
...don't just stand there itching - go on!
>it's all just for fun, after all.
Absolutely - it's because those guys on that other list lose track of the fun bit & take themselves far too seriously that they get into the scrapes they do.
>--- > >Regarding lexical design: > >The Unilang lexicon would not be well designed by simply spurting out a >bunch of random phonological outputs and assigning them English >equivalents. That's bad technique in any conlanging.
It has been done, e.g. Mark Line's 'Classical Yiklamu'. But I must confess when I tried the same for briefscript, I was not happy with the results. Anyway, I don't want a machine to design my language!
>What needs to be done >is a careful listing of minimal semantic items. Abstractions must be >specially handled. A line must be drawn in what earns its own morpheme, and >what could be expressed with a combination of other morphemes. I should say >that in this matter I would be generous in the handing out of morphemes;
A very tricky matter IME. I'll be interested myself in seeing what is suggested.
>I >don't agree with derivations for simple concepts, as is done in Esperanto, >for example: "father" is "patro", and thence "mother" is "patrino" (using >the -in infix of femininity).
No - I think most now would agree that this is a most unfortunate example. [snip]
> >I think that the natlang tendency here is to generously assign word stems >to material items, such as living creatures of all sorts, and visible >natural phenomena; while abstract concepts are more generally expressed >through combinations of morphemes, often quite arbitrarily. Anyone agree >with this impression?
Generally, I think. Good luck. Ray. ========================================= A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language. [J.G. Hamann 1760] =========================================

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