Re: Hungarian and Slavonic (was: Codename "de")

On Thu, 16 May 2002, P. M. Arktayg wrote:

> Frank George Valoczy ta nugatu-r:
>
> [...]
>
> >> I guessed but I meant the pronunciation -- you wrote [e'], [a'] instead of
> >> [e:], [a:]. By the way, can you describe me all Hungarian vowels?
>
> > Aha I understand what you're saying. In the square brackets where I wrote
> > the pronunciation I did indeed use [e:] and [a:], only my ascii-ification
> > of the Hungarian orthography used the _e'_ and _a'_.
>
> What about Hungarian vowels?
Hungarian vowels:

Budapest dialect:
[A] [a:] [E] [e:] [i] [i:] [o] [o:] [u] [u:] [y] [y:] [2] [2:]

Outside of Budapest there exist a lowered [E] (slightly higher than [@])
and [&]. In some dialects [a] and [O:] exist too; in the Banat dialect
(eastern Vojvodina) exists [A:] too.

> *Tatras* [...] a Hungarian form of a 'mountains' name (_tatra_), called by
> Slavs _tertry_ (_montes Tritri_ in Kosmas of Praha, ca. 1120) and in
> Ruthenia _toltry_.
>
> So, I think of: Hungarian < Slavonic [< something pre-Slavonic].
You are probably correct.

>
> > Gah, this took me so long to type, making typos left right and center -
> > over the past few weeks I've gotten so used to the keyboard on the
> > Commodore C=64 that this "normal" PC keyboard looks like a disaster. :)
>
> C-64?! What did you do?
>
Making music. The C=64 is an incredible machine, now with 20MHz processor
and 32 megs RAM. And I'm getting a 4 GB harddrive for it soon too. :)

---ferko