Re: Concept_sitting

pardon j'ai écris dans mon anglais incompréhensible
je recommence en français

la phrase "cette phrase est fausse" peut connoter par exemple
l'humour ou embarras.
de toutes façons il me semble  que tout énoncé grammatically correct
est signifiant ou signifié par l'auditeur (je veux dire que
l'auditeur "colle" une intention tt phrase qu'il entend...


Le 19 janv. 09 à 09:21, Erbrice a écrit :

> i think such a phrase is a mode of intention.
>  "what i say is llie" could implies humor OR embarrassment.
>
>
>
> Le 19 janv. 09 à 01:41, Eugene Oh a écrit :
>
>> I think what he means is that the illogicality of the sentence
>> means no one
>> would think of uttering it unless he were consciously finding a
>> time to say
>> it. It wouldn't appear naturally in a conversation, for example,
>> but would
>> be contrived.
>> Eugene
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Erbrice <erbrice@...> wrote:
>>
>>> It was clear for me that you did only speak in a mathematical
>>> point of view
>>> and not about languages.
>>> But,  beeing totally ignorant in this domain (maths), it still
>>> unclear to
>>> me what do you do mean when you say 'no speaker would naturally
>>> emit a
>>> sentence like "this sentence is false"'
>>> Aren't any sentence  admitable as far as they are grammatically
>>> correct ?
>>>
>>> Le 17 janv. 09 à 11:59, Mark J. Reed a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Erbrice <erbrice@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> in the domain of languages,
>>>>> which problem (s) could result from a statement refering to
>>>>> itself ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First, I didn't say it was a problem for languages.  I was just
>>>> clarifying what Goedel actually did.
>>>>
>>>> It's a problem for mathematical formalisms, and therefore
>>>> potentially
>>>> for loglangs as well.  For language in general, I'd say that such
>>>> metareferentiality just enhances expressiveness.  I do seem to
>>>> recall
>>>> that there are some theories of how human language works, mostly no
>>>> longer current and somewhat reminiscent of those mathematical
>>>> formalisms, which are invalidated by the existence of such
>>>> statements.
>>>> (Proponents of those theories would simply say that no speaker
>>>> would
>>>> ever "naturally emit" a sentence like "This sentence is false",
>>>> so it
>>>> doesn't count.)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
>>>>
>>>